Help for Black Pine backbudding

[bonsai-max]

I made photos of mine. It will stay as garden tree and is really strong growing. I left only foliage where I want backbuds to occur. Till now no success, but as garden tree I will go with what I get, so no big deal for me, but as a bonsai from Nigra it would be disappointing.

Are you sure it's a ABP ? the wood is totally different from mine.....

 

[minkes]

Are you sure it's a ABP ? the wood is totally different from mine.....

It is for sure Pinus Nigra. I do not know if it is ABP, but according Google ABP is Pinus Nigra, so it should be ABP . Maybe different growth habit is due to growing in field vs growing in pot. Also there could be little differencies in cultivars. Mine should be regular Pinus Nigra.

 

[minkes]

These are needles compared with my hand. In my surroundigs are big black pines (p. nigra) with even bigger needles.

 

[bonsai-max]

Mhhh I don't know looks so different from mine :

 

[minkes]

Tomorrow we could shot detail of buds to compare. Now it is dark outside

 

[minkes]

This photo from internet show exactly how my candles look like in spring. I still think differences between mine and yours is due to growing in pot vs garden.

 

[minkes]

This is how buds look like on my pine.

 

[bonsai-max]

Mhhh I don't know but looks different to me.
The bark also looks very different.
Waiting for more expert opinion....

 

[minkes]

For me they look similar . Anyway we just need them to back bud. So hopefully we get it

 

[bonsai-max]

Hopefully

Potawatomi13​

speaks about faith, so we will have it, and fertilizer more

 

[minkes]

One day, if it back-buds, maybe I will dig it and turn into big sized bonsai. But don’t tell my wife

 

[bonsai-max]

Shhhhhhh

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

You guys are comparing old barky growth with young non-barky growth. Of course that looks different!

 

[minkes]

We like to compare

 

[bonsai-max]

I use Fulvic acid and kelp powders @ 5/2 ratio and promotes lots of backbud.Also a tiny bit of yucca will be a surfectant and sperad the water driplets for waxy leaves……1/64th tsp pr gal…….is also a mild fungicide.

So I made shopping here, Fulvic acid and kelp extract, I am ready to start the season... I have also Osmocote and Miracle Gro.
Just a question for cmeg1, I will follow your advice and I made the mats but looks very weak to me, because all the product I bought are 7ml per liter for the fulvic acid and 4ml per liter for the kelp extract.

If my calculation are correct your values for 4 liters are :

0.6 ml fulvic or humic
0.32 ml kelp extract

That's mean that for the kelp extract is 0.08ml pro liter and for the fulvic is 0.15 pro liter
I will follow you advice but the difference looks huge, do you think can be the product itself powder and liquid are different

 

[bonsai-max]

No nitrogen fertilizer has been debunked already. Nitrogen will not make the tree produce new growth, the actions you do on the tree are the ones that will cause it. I feed with Miraclegrow and osmocote plus till around end of November. The start again early-mid February depending on the last frost (usually for us the first week of FEB).

Hi, since the season is starting now I am trying your suggestion.
Osmocote on the pot and Miragle gro with water, plus the fulvic acid and kelp extract.
I have no idea about when ? I have in mind this plan:

Osmocote on the pot (stay for 3 4 months + Miracle gro once a week ex each sunday
Fulvic acid on the soil + Kelp extract every two weeks but in separate days ex. each Wednesday son the y don't overlap with the fertilizer

Make any sense for you ?

Thanks

 

[minkes]

As backup plan look for videos about scion grafting. I want to try it on mine next spring, if there will be still no backbudding after this season.

 

[Maiden69]

Hi, since the season is starting now I am trying your suggestion.
Osmocote on the pot and Miragle gro with water, plus the fulvic acid and kelp extract.
I have no idea about when ? I have in mind this plan:

Osmocote on the pot (stay for 3 4 months + Miracle gro once a week ex each sunday
Fulvic acid on the soil + Kelp extract every two weeks but in separate days ex. each Wednesday son the y don't overlap with the fertilizer

Make any sense for you ?

Thanks

I would start with the Osmocote+ 3-4 months, and Miracle Gro every other week, you can adjust depending on how your trees reacts. You can do the kelp/fulvic every week as a drench on the roots. Our climates are very different, so keep that in mind as well, also, this protocol will not work once a tree enters refinement, just for trees in development that you want back-budding and rapid growth.

 

[jszg]

Has anyone tried using cytokinin treatment, like a zeatin or 6-benzylaminopurine spray? My understanding is that it's used to induce bushy growth for large-scale annual floriculture. Temporarily inducing yatsabusa-type growth in seedlings could be useful, forcing all of the needle buds to open before resuming normal growth.

 

[bonsai-max]

I would start with the Osmocote+ 3-4 months, and Miracle Gro every other week

Sorry, I don't undestand, you use togheter or just osmocote for 3 4 months and then switch to miracle gro ?