Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
I ain't browsin'. I am bontificatin'!85% of the time people asking, have absolutely no intention of buying! They just want to browse, as most of us are doing on this thread
Eisei-En summer sale
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pandacular
Masterpiece
I can't wait for this silly argument to be rehashed the next time there's a sale...
Kanorin
Omono
I'm not sure how many the sale started with, but as of now there are 55 trees left. I reckon that the trees that sell have been well-priced and the trees that do not sell were not well-priced. Time will tell.
namnhi
Masterpiece
Come on down Uncle. You get one pick of any tree that you like... nothing first class but I don't think you will be disappointed driving home.
IzzyG
Shohin
If I'm not mistaken, there was a local/club auction last month that included some of Ryan's trees(someone had posted it here I believe). The bidding and sold prices supposedly went pretty high.
You are right however; there are much more refined/expensive/legacy trees at Bjorn's and Ryan's. Personally I've not seen any openly priced trees north of 20k. Anything above that seems to require a conversation or one on one private dealings with them.
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Just one tree
namnhi
Masterpiece
That the offer... the one you really like. The rest will be my picks.
Srt8madness
Omono
And that harms the seller how exactly?85% of the time people asking, have absolutely no intention of buying! They just want to browse, as most of us are doing on this thread
Right now, your story has the same level of credibility as an angler’s story about the fish that got away or that guy in high school who insisted he had a girlfriend (even though nobody had ever met her) and always deflected any inquiries by saying, “You wouldn’t know her. She goes to a different school.”No point me revealing because theyre not online, these types of places are either large garden centres that cater to people within maybe a 30m radius in areas where maybe they know that folk have big houses and large gardens and so require large trees, ornamentals etc. Or tree nurseries. You can do your own research for your specific area like I did. While they may have websites its not the type of site where you select a specific tree and they have it waiting when you get there. These places are run like cash n carry, they have rows n rows of material.
When I was on the old IBC forum there was a guy id be jealous of from the midlands, he would always be posting these massive hornbeams from nurseries, at that time I was green and didnt know where to get anything!
You can start by googling tree nurseries close to me. If youre serious that is
BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
Since I do a little buying n selling myself, I have no interest in revealing where I bury my treasure.
Do your own research and stop being lazy!
Do your own research and stop being lazy!
Ply
Mame
It's kind of ironic though, seeing how this pretty much ruins the point you were trying to make for multiple pages. You were saying 'these prices are ridiculous, just buy nursery stock like I have'. And then by denying to post where you get your material you show exactly just how much effort you had to put it in to find good nursery material. Yes, you can absolutely find great trees at nursery's, but it's a treasure hunt. You can't just walk into any random nursery and expect to come out with something that you can turn into a great bonsai in just a few years. Your gonna need either luck on your side, or invest lots of time and energy into finding something.
Buying bonsai from a dedicated bonsai nursery is definitely not the cheap route, but it does save you lots of time and energy, and its just a personal preference as to which route you choose.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying you should reveal your source. Nor am I saying that growing your own material from scratch, or looking for nursery stock isn't worth it. In fact, I personally much rather spend the next 5-10 years on growing out basic material into quality bonsai rather than spending €/$2000+ on a developed shohin from a bonsai vendor. I enjoy the proces.
But creating, importing, quarentining, maintaining bonsai are all very expensive and/or time consuming. Yes, bonsai vendors are crazy expensive, but it's quite understandable at the same time. I think these prices are neccesary for Bjorn to pay the bills of his nursery and feed his family. I don't think he's getting rich of of any of this.
I’ve done my research. Anyone who’s really caught the bonsai bug has likely visited every landscape nursery they’ve come across. We can’t help it. You’re driving along and you see a nursery and the car practically turns in the driveway by itself.
You cannot buy anything remotely similar to the material that you posted from any landscape nursery within 100 miles of where I live for anywhere close to the prices you posted. It would an extreme stroke of luck to find material like that at a landscape nursery here at any price. You can find material like that at one of the few bonsai nurseries, but you’ll pay for it. Bjorn’s prices are not too different from what you’d pay for similar material at the bonsai nursery that’s about an hour’s drive away from me.
Either you’ve found a local gem in the UK that’s unlike any landscape nursery in the States and you just don’t know how lucky you are or you’re lying. For the sake of this discussion, it doesn’t really matter which of those is the case. What matters is that Bjorn’s sale takes place in the U.S., far away from the magical landscape nursery where you shop and obtain unbelievable deals on trees and the prices reflect that reality.
mattspinniken
Omono
Anyone that puts in the serious effort to collect nice trees will eventually realize that prices for collected trees are actually pretty cheap.
BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
I refer ya'll back to a thread from a few months ago where a chap on here, picked up this raw European Hornbeam, we cant see the base, but its quite clear the material has good options, its the type of material I would go hunting for and if the nursery has this, they probably have a lot of other stuff like it. This is the type of stuff that flys over ya'll heads, too busy gettin your knickers in a twist
For you @Paradox you keep talking about you cant find anything, well this place is a 3 hour drive from you I just checked on google
, thats a long drive but maybe it would be worth the effort who knows.
www.bonsainut.com
there is another chap on here who gets beech and hornbeam, in the New york, Long island area @Jzack605 have you visited his spot @Paradox ??
For you @Paradox you keep talking about you cant find anything, well this place is a 3 hour drive from you I just checked on google
, thats a long drive but maybe it would be worth the effort who knows.
The big tree, little car struggle.
Does anyone else have this problem? You stop into a nursery and see a big, beautiful tree, perfect for either a trunk chop, or to air layer the top. On top of that, it's in your price range! So you immediately throw in on a cart, because of course if anyone else sees this beauty they're going to...
there is another chap on here who gets beech and hornbeam, in the New york, Long island area @Jzack605 have you visited his spot @Paradox ??
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BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
The only material I posted that come from a landscape nursery are the hornbeams. The others are from bonsai vendors. Personally I have done the bonsai vendor thing, over the years Ive spent a lot on trees from kaizenbonsai.com. my limit or the most I would spend is £345 for a tree. Im happy to go into a nursery and spend up to £295, would you be? or anybody else commenting a lot. Because for the folk who are saying the most, I have seen your stuff and I can see that youre not spending that on anything. The horbeam that cost £70 isnt the norm, but as said, im quite content to spend £295 on these big lumps and chop them down to stumps, which I know a lot of people wont do. I can turn that £295 into £585.
Go ahead and spend your money, if you see value in these sales dive in. Im just saying that I dont anymore, because I know whats out there. I used to spend a lot on kaizen when everyone was saying he's too expensive.
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rockm
Spuds Moyogi
The astonishment of the OP finding such a tree is pretty evident, if you read the post, meaning such things are not common. This tree is an exception and hardly not the rule. It doesn't "fly over" anyone's head who has been actually looking here in the U.S. and not online from 3,000 miles away. I've had this experience two or three times in the last 30 years, in spite of spending years looking at numerous nurseries from New Jersey to N. Carolina (and a handful in East Texas).I refer ya'll back to a thread from a few months ago where a chap on here, picked up this raw European Hornbeam, we cant see the base, but its quite clear the material has good options, its the type of material I would go hunting for and if the nursery has this, they probably have a lot of other stuff like it. This is the type of stuff that flys over ya'll heads, too busy gettin your knickers in a twist
For you @Paradox you keep talking about you cant find anything, well this place is a 3 hour drive from you I just checked on google
, thats a long drive but maybe it would be worth the effort who knows.
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The big tree, little car struggle.
Does anyone else have this problem? You stop into a nursery and see a big, beautiful tree, perfect for either a trunk chop, or to air layer the top. On top of that, it's in your price range! So you immediately throw in on a cart, because of course if anyone else sees this beauty they're going to...
there is another chap on here who gets beech and hornbeam, in the New york, Long island area @Jzack605 have you visited his spot @Paradox ??
BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
Ryan in Oregon finds them too mate. Some places I go to have fields and they grow their own hedging material. I see that Ryan also taps in to the field growing market.
Who was the chap on here who had the massive hornbeams, Stickroot was it. How many folk invested, only Mach from what I can remember. At a guess Its likely not just that people find them hard to find, its the initial investment too. While ive shown some gems at nice rates, a lot of stuff ive had comes with a substantial price tag, but again, for me they can be investments. Providing fun and good value.
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rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Rarely mate. Most of his trees are sourced from other bonsaiists or collectors.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
IF you're going to make this argument, you might cite Dennis Votilla and others in proximity to the many many MANY nurseries in Oregon where landscaping nurseries are a key industry (and not like other areas of the U.S.) Then I might listen...Even so, collected trees are a mainstay of those guys too.
I spent the entire day yesterday driving around looking for trees and came home with nada. On the plus side, it seems I am getting better at evaluating stock. The negative is that there was nothing I wanted to work with, and surely nothing like what BobbyLane posted. Saw tons of straight stovepipes, horrible grafts and otherwise sticks in pots. Makes the 6 hour drive to the nationals that much more attractive.
