Where did superfly get Haydite from?

[Lorax7]

Colin Robinson has joined the chat.

 

[Paradox]

This smells to me like the plant is pretty much closed and the owner is probably evaluating whether its worth the fight against the state. When companies start saying things have nothing to do with long, taxing legal battles and they closed for maintenance and to sell off stockpiles of material, you can bet things ARE because of the long taxing legal battles and they're looking to get as much return as possible before getting the F out...Speaking as a former business journalist.

Norlite temporarily shutting down "core operations" in Cohoes

On Monday, Norlite, which mines shale and produces aggregate materials, announced it is temporarily shutting down core operations at its Cohoes facility.“Norlit

cbs6albany.com

Lol with what that article said, they have been trying but won't win that fight. DEC has them by the proverbial cahones and is usually pretty serious about these kind of violations.

They will have to comply with the law to restart operations. Sounds like they are considering not running the kilns in NY any more.

 

[Paradox]

I didn't know that the pit bull in your profile pic could type.

It's a bull terrier

 

[Alfi]

It's a bull terrier

I have 20 years experience raising dogs. That is definitely a dog, and therefore a pitbull. (Going off some of the logic in this thread.)

 

[GGB]

Jesus Christ, is this thread really still alive? I'm pretty sure this dude is just messing with you guys

 

[ERClover]

This thread is the second coming of that doge coin poster coming in listing all kinds of scam bait bonsai on eBay.

 

[A. Gorilla]

I am Superfly.

Please direct all questions to me.

 

[BillsBayou]

I am Superfly.

Please direct all questions to me.

All? Okaaaaay....

What's so special about the expanded shale from Norlite?
Do you have any of that expanded shale left and can you post pictures?
What is your quest?
Who is Pepe Silva?
Who was on the grassy knoll?
When was the Battle of Hastings?
If twenty crows are on a telephone line and little Jimmy shoots one dead, how many crows are left?
In Texas Hold 'Em, who wins when two players are holding the same three pairs?

 

[Paradox]

All? Okaaaaay....

What's so special about the expanded shale from Norlite?
Do you have any of that expanded shale left and can you post pictures?
What is your quest?
Who is Pepe Silva?
Who was on the grassy knoll?
When was the Battle of Hastings?
If twenty crows are on a telephone line and little Jimmy shoots one dead, how many crows are left?
In Texas Hold 'Em, who wins when two players are holding the same three pairs?

What is the answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe and Everything?

 

[19Mateo83]

Its the haydite you're looking forView attachment 545058

 

[A. Gorilla]

All? Okaaaaay....

What's so special about the expanded shale from Norlite?
Do you have any of that expanded shale left and can you post pictures?
What is your quest?
Who is Pepe Silva?
Who was on the grassy knoll?
When was the Battle of Hastings?
If twenty crows are on a telephone line and little Jimmy shoots one dead, how many crows are left?
In Texas Hold 'Em, who wins when two players are holding the same three pairs?

>>What's so special about the expanded shale from Norlite?

Chili flakes.

>>Do you have any of that expanded shale left and can you post pictures?

Once you stop expanding shale and start expaninding your mind, then your journey can begin.

>>What is your quest?

You're not ready to hear it.

>>Who is Pepe Silva?

A long time lurker.

>>Who was on the grassy knoll?

Besides the obvious??

>>When was the Battle of Hastings?

Don't test me.

>>If twenty crows are on a telephone line and little Jimmy shoots one dead, how many crows are left?

20.

>>In Texas Hold 'Em, who wins when two players are holding the same three pairs?

Everyone loses. Gambling is degenerate.

 

[Michigan Tree Murderer]

Superfly has entered the chat. Dropping Haydite feels alright.

 

[yashu]

There may be some confusion as to what this web site is for: Bonsai conversations. We are looking to debate which soil is better and why.

Substrate components (soil) is the most hotly debated subject in bonsai. No other topic compares. Everyone uses some sort of substrate and has an opinion about their choice.



You created an account with the sole purpose of getting the single answer to a single question. The problem seems to be that you have encountered a community of Chatty Cathys who want to open conversations with everyone. You've given us nothing about yourself, your experience, your collection, your successes, your needs. All we really know about you is "That guy wants haydite from a specific manufacturer's specific mine." To which we're all saying "Really? Haydite? That's a strange request." Not unlike trying to find the specific vineyard for a bottle of supermarket wine.

Go to a wine discussion board and post "I'm looking for the vineyard where Superfly Supermarket got their Superfly Wine."
Everyone who replies is going to ask "Why?"

Same thing as what you're getting here. Expanded shale is a boring all-purpose substrate; neutral pH, available everywhere, reasonably priced, gets the job done. The "Superfly Wine" of bonsai.



Correct. But asking you "Why?" is how we open discussions. If the exact haydite is so hard to find, explaining your needs may lead to an equal or better replacement. We're here to help. We ask provocative questions.

Specificity like that about a boring substrate is made by one of three people.

• Beginners who fixate on things for the wrong reasons (like I used to do).
• Well-researched experts who know exactly why their trees do so damned well.
• Treasure hunters who know that at the center of every particle of Superfly Bonsai expanded shale is a gold nugget. (Or caramel. I'll take either.)

My original substrate was neither Haydite nor expanded shale. It was moist clay strip-mined from the land behind the plant. Looked like Haydite. Acted like Haydite. Tasted like Haydite. But it was gray-blue Louisiana clay.

The specific answer to your specific question is "Norlite. Cohoes, New York".

Andy told me that 10 days ago. That's why I wanted to know where you are. Expanded shale is usually sold by manufacturers as they load it into big trucks. If Norlite will sell it to you in a supersack, you can drive over and pick it up. It's going to weigh at least 1,800 lbs (≈816kg). That is, if anyone is still working at the plant.

What you should know is that just like Superfly Bonsai, Norlite's manufacturing is closed. Workers have been laid off.

They used to do two things at Norlite. They used to make expanded shale by burning hazardous wastes in their kilns. Their plant is currently closed because of investigations by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. The NY DEC is investigating Norlite's failure to trap fugitive air-borne particles and their mismanagement of the surrounding waterways.

Really the thread could end here. Well stated on all fronts @BillsBayou

 

[Srt8madness]

I have 20 years experience raising dogs. That is definitely a dog, and therefore a pitbull. (Going off some of the logic in this thread.)

And if two cars look the same on the outside, they must be identical engines and interiors (going off some of your logic).

 

[JudyB]

The most important question as we all know is Where is Waldo?

Good discussion and information, and fairly civil!

 

[Alfi]

And if two cars look the same on the outside, they must be identical engines and interiors (going off some of your logic).

You have this completely backwards. Maybe you were reading other people’s posts.

From the very first post, I was looking for the exact source of the material. Not something that looks similar on the outside. The exact raw material, mined from the same geographical mine site, fired in the same kiln, and sold by the same company. That’s literally why everyone else is upset; because being very similar wasn’t good enough.

 

[Srt8madness]

You have this completely backwards. Maybe you were reading other people’s posts.

From the very first post, I was looking for the exact source of the material. Not something that looks similar on the outside. The exact raw material, mined from the same geographical mine site, fired in the same kiln, and sold by the same company. That’s literally why everyone else is upset; because being very similar wasn’t good enough.

Nope, was reading your post about Solite "looking" the same.

 

[19Mateo83]

The most important question as we all know is Where is Waldo?

Good discussion and information, and fairly civil!

 

[Alfi]

Nope, was reading your post about Solite "looking" the same.

Yes, that is a factually accurate statement. So? Lol

The point of the thread was to find what the substrate was; exactly. And we did, Norlite.

Then we found out they may soon close for good. So then I simply mentioned it was interesting that there was a mine an hour away, that had the exact same raw material, and expanded it in a kiln. And the end material looks identical.

If Norlite is unavailable, I’m not sure how you could make an argument (with no evidence mind you), that Solite wouldn’t be the most similar material (on the planet).

So if you had to guess on which of these two would be closest, which would you pick:
Option #1) Mined 55 miles away. Made of the same raw material. Can be geologically pinpointed to an area to the west of the Huson River. Looks identical.
Option #2) Mined over 1200 miles away. Made of a completely different raw material. Looks completely different.

Are you saying the odds of having a similar internal structure to Norlite are the same for both?

You didn’t actually read the thread did you?

 

[ERClover]

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Tune in next week for the 273646743rd bimonthly edition of “So what’s the deal with Akadama???”