Where did superfly get Haydite from?

[rockm]

Thanks for the response!
Where is this from (if you don’t mind me asking)?

Is this actual Buildex Haydite? It may be the only pictures on the whole internet lol.

Unfortunately it doesn’t look like what superfly used. (To me.) I’m starting to think what they used wasn’t actually haydite at all. May be why they won’t respond to anyone asking about it.

A FIRST for a soil thread--a conspiracy theory... Never had one of those before in a soil post. Like most conspiracies, this is plain silly. Why on earth would Superfly lie about haydite? It's a pretty common ingredient in many soils. It's not rare. What Superfly was using wasn't any more special than what Billy Bayou is getting. I've seen Superfly's soil. . It's haydite for crying out loud.

Haydite comes from many different origin clays and plants (including Buildex), so it is VARIABLE in appearance--you can actually SEE that variability in Bayou's photo of the huge pile of it under the conveyor belt.... It is not a cover up. It is not a plot.

 

[BillsBayou]

A FIRST for a soil thread--a conspiracy theory... Never had one of those before in a soil post. Like most conspiracies, this is plain silly. Why on earth would Superfly lie about haydite? It's a pretty common ingredient in many soils. It's not rare. What Superfly was using wasn't any more special than what Billy Bayou is getting. I've seen Superfly's soil. . It's haydite for crying out loud.

Haydite comes from many different origin clays and plants (including Buildex), so it is VARIABLE in appearance--you can actually SEE that variability in Bayou's photo of the huge pile of it under the conveyor belt.... It is not a cover up. It is not a plot.

Oh, sure, deny the conspiracy. That's exactly what the haydite cabal would say.

 

[rockm]

Oh, sure, deny the conspiracy. That's exactly what the haydite cabal would say.

Well, there's this:

NASA Has Lost Hundreds of Its Moon Rocks, New Report Says

In a report released Dec. 8, NASA's inspector general found that the agency has lost or misplaced more than 500 moon rocks that were returned by Apollo astronauts from 1969 to 1972.

www.space.com

Superfly is probably running from NASA....

 

[Mike Westervelt]

Well, there's this:

NASA Has Lost Hundreds of Its Moon Rocks, New Report Says

In a report released Dec. 8, NASA's inspector general found that the agency has lost or misplaced more than 500 moon rocks that were returned by Apollo astronauts from 1969 to 1972.

www.space.com

Superfly is probably running from NASA....

OK, now I'm happy I read this whole thread

 

[Bonsai Nut]

I have to admit... I was cheating. There is a trade group for all lightweight expanded aggregate producers in the US - expanded clay, expanded shale, expanded slate.

Home - ESCSI

The superior qualities of expanded shale, clay and slate lightweight aggregate are effective and economical in many applications.

www.escsi.org

There aren't many, but you can check it out and see who produces what and where.

 

[Alfi]

Just messaged Andy

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Interesting!

What is that picture of? It looks very similar to Superfly's.
By any chance could you ask which exact company/mine he got his from? Was it Norlite?

Their "Superdite" / "Black Haydite" seems to come from somewhere different than Buildex Haydite.

 

[19Mateo83]

I got my haydite from this guy…. Says it’s 1000% superfly’s recipe

 

[Lorax7]

I got my haydite from this guy…. Says it’s 1000% superfly’s recipe
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[BillsBayou]

Just messaged Andy

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Norlite dust in the neighboring apartment complex was found to be toxic to humans. The apartments are now empty.
"Embattled Norlite plant in Cohoes will temporarily shut down"

"Norlite, located in the City of Cohoes, is a DEC permitted manufacturer of lightweight aggregate materials produced from shale mined at the plant. After mining, the shale is first crushed in a series of crushers before being fed to one of the two rotary lightweight aggregate kilns. The high-temperature kilns are primarily fired with liquid hazardous waste from off-site sources."

Holy crap. Norlite fires their shale by burning hazardous waste in their kilns? My guys burn coal. Not the friendliest fuel, but it's mostly carbon.

So, Superfly haydite is made by burning various hazardous waste products. That would make it special, I guess. What did Norlite burn to get their so called "black haydite"? When coal is burned in a rotary kiln the haydite is colored in earth tones; taupe to gray. Some particles may come out black, but not a significant amount. To sell black haydite, the whole batch would have to be black. Was that done using a specific fuel? A specific hazardous waste? Could toxins be the factor that helps Superfly haydite stunt bonsai?

The more important question may concern the toxins we might get on our hands when potting our trees using hazardous-waste-fired haydite. I make hundreds of gallons of bonsai soil every year by hand. The haydite is sifted on a large vibrating grading table I built. I run the machine for hours. The dust gets all over me. More than twenty years of mixing and selling haydite-based soils that were fired using hazardous waste fuels would be deeply troubling. Makes me happy to know how my haydite is actually made. Good old Appalachian coal.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Holy crap. Norlite fires their shale by burning hazardous waste in their kilns?

Just when you thought it was safe to use shale out of the ground...

 

[Alfi]

Norlite dust in the neighboring apartment complex was found to be toxic to humans. The apartments are now empty.
"Embattled Norlite plant in Cohoes will temporarily shut down"

"Norlite, located in the City of Cohoes, is a DEC permitted manufacturer of lightweight aggregate materials produced from shale mined at the plant. After mining, the shale is first crushed in a series of crushers before being fed to one of the two rotary lightweight aggregate kilns. The high-temperature kilns are primarily fired with liquid hazardous waste from off-site sources."

Holy crap. Norlite fires their shale by burning hazardous waste in their kilns? My guys burn coal. Not the friendliest fuel, but it's mostly carbon.

So, Superfly haydite is made by burning various hazardous waste products. That would make it special, I guess. What did Norlite burn to get their so called "black haydite"? When coal is burned in a rotary kiln the haydite is colored in earth tones; taupe to gray. Some particles may come out black, but not a significant amount. To sell black haydite, the whole batch would have to be black. Was that done using a specific fuel? A specific hazardous waste? Could toxins be the factor that helps Superfly haydite stunt bonsai?

The more important question may concern the toxins we might get on our hands when potting our trees using hazardous-waste-fired haydite. I make hundreds of gallons of bonsai soil every year by hand. The haydite is sifted on a large vibrating grading table I built. I run the machine for hours. The dust gets all over me. More than twenty years of mixing and selling haydite-based soils that were fired using hazardous waste fuels would be deeply troubling. Makes me happy to know how my haydite is actually made. Good old Appalachian coal.

Well, we don’t yet know if Norlite is what they used.

 

[Lorax7]

Just when you thought it was safe to use shale out of the ground...

Depends a lot on what it actually is. Any process waste with a flash point below a certain temperature is considered “hazardous waste” because it poses a fire hazard, but could be totally fine for use as fuel depending on the substances involved. It may just be organic solvents with small quantities of organic compounds that fully decompose during combustion.

 

[yashu]

@Alfi please post some of your trees. They have to be magnificent, just over the top vigorous and vibrant to go through all this to find this one particular particle. I need to see with my own eyes why this stuff is just that important. For this trouble you get your hands on some of the Mirai magic akadama that Ryan sourced. (Or maybe not)

 

[rockm]

Can't tell if the danger was from what was IN the dust, or the dust itself. Small particulates of stone, etc. micron sized particles can cause silicosis. Always wear a mask when mixing ANY soil ingredients. The dust isn't great to breath in, whatever you're using

 

[Stormwater]

Speaking of firing, this thread was a dumpster fire (thanks soil), and a fun read. Thanks everyone. Hugs, and hope you all get the great soil you want.
OP, give Meehan's in MD a call. Bet they know the source.

 

[BillsBayou]

Well, we don’t yet know if Norlite is what they used.

It is.

 

[Alfi]

It is.

We have to wait for “Bob Hunter”.

You previously stated “Superfly got his from the northeast US. Buildex”. Now you are saying he got it from Norlite…

 

[RoadManDenDron]

Is this any good?

 

[Alfi]

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Is this any good?

What is this?
It’s hard to tell with the quality.

 

[RoadManDenDron]

Its the haydite you're looking for