To argue, could you put your best foot forward to post?

Since it came from @Don Blackmond ...I have a hard time seeing it lacked care under his belt so to speak. Though I'm sure he too did great by this tree while it honored his bench. That's the only hiccup I had with your comitary.
Ya, I would not call that tree neglected. It was grown out by the guy I got it from, but I would not call that neglected.
 
Since it came from @Don Blackmond ...I have a hard time seeing it lacked care under his belt so to speak. Though I'm sure he too did great by this tree while it honored his bench. That's the only hiccup I had with your comitary.

I'm going to try to say this as respectively as possible so please don't take offense. I don't want to know you and I don't really care for any of your thoughts in regards to anything I say or post. I think you're a trouble maker and if you could, from now on, just try to make an effort to stay away from me and I'll do the same:) I'm not going to block you because I think that's for weak people and I sincerely think that we can coexist on this forum without speaking to one another.....
 
@abqjoe ... I think you need to block me. Because you're asking me to refrain from a slight I felt upon another member that I trust and have bought from. If that is offensive...Block away. Because I tend to defend to a degree...and that is in my nature. I'm assuming you didn't like my tagging @Don Blackmond in my comment?
( :) yup...I don't think you like tags in ones reply.)
But...as many know the tree you mentioned came from him...I felt he should add to that comment directed sort of his way as selling a neglected tree. So you need to block me...because I'm not about to block you. And I will continue as I am...but, no way will you have me believe Don sold a neglected tree. My tree came to me healthy...and he's been here far longer than you have.
 
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Wow---No offense intended but this is the statement of a real ass-hat. JMHO and please no ill will intended.

Not really! If you go back and look at what our usual conversations with each other turn into this really had to be said for the sake of avoiding anymore stupid arguments on the forum. I'd rather contribute to peaceful conversation here on the forum than the opposite and with us avoiding each other I think that's a step in the right direction. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion though and you've just voiced yours.....
 
@abqjoe ... I think you need to block me. Because you're asking me to refrain from a slight I felt upon another member that I trust and have bought from. If that is offensive...Block away. Because I tend defend to a degree...and that is in my nature. I'm assuming you didn't like my tagging @Don Blackmond in my comment? :)) yup...I don't think you like tags in ones reply.) But...as many know the tree you mentioned came from him...I felt he should add to that comment directed sort of his way as selling a neglected tree. So you need to block me...because I'm not about to block you. And I will continue as I am...but, no way will you have me believe Don sold a neglected tree. My tree came to me healthy...and he's been here far longer than you have.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, you just love to start trouble! I'm not going to play your game though! That being said, take care:)
 
I'm also a moderator on the same reddit forum as Jerry. Number of dead trees isn't really meant to be taken as a measure of success, but more an arbitrary indicator of experience. As in, the longer you've been doing bonsai, the more trees you've probably seen (and perhaps helped) die. It's not the only indicator, and perhaps not the best, but it's something.

It's not something we spend hours agonizing over either - as I said, it's arbitrary. There's probably been more discussion on it in this one thread than there has been in the past five years on this topic. =) The number of trees they own and the number of years of experience are probably far better indicators overall, tbh, and those are factored in as well.

The whole thing is very subjective, but it works wonders because you have some idea of the experience level of the folks providing advice. If two people give different advice, and one person's flair says "Beginner, 2 years, 1 tree" and the others says "Experienced, 25 years, 75 trees", you have a pretty good idea of who is providing the better advice. I've always taken the "dead trees" part of the equation with a grain of salt. Although in the past 20+ years, I have probably killed more trees than most people will own, so it does seem fairly accurate for me. Most of those were in the early days, but I do still lose some from time to time. But sure, not everyone is going to have the same death count for all kinds of reasons. That's why it's just one factor in the equation.
@music-maker, even the number of trees owned is a flawed approach. I own about 30 of which about a dozen are Shohin. Everyone is usually surprised at how few trees I have! Yet, most of my trees are very advanced trees, only about a half dozen are "projects".

It just so happens I've been doing bonsai for 45 or so years. But, length of time in it is no measure of bonsai expertise, either. I happen to know of a fellow who's been doing bonsai a decade longer than myself, and his trees are just awful!

I also know of a fellow who has wonderful trees, but has a professional do all the work on them. So, I really don't know if he "knows how to do bonsai" or not! I suspect he does, but he just chooses to have a pro work them.
 
Comitary....
:p Laughing out loud! My phone changes words...but I think that one I may have misspelled. :oops:...not my best forte. But spell check also blunders...or my fingers on my cell miss a key. Lighthearted correction...I have a friend where that sort of thing (error in grammar) does her in. Hope it wasn't nails on the chalkboard for you.
 
:p Laughing out loud! My phone changes words...but I think that one I may have misspelled. :oops:...not my best forte. But spell check also blunders...or my fingers on my cell miss a key. Lighthearted correction...I have a friend where that sort of thing (error in grammar) does her in. Hope it wasn't nails on the chalkboard for you.
Or an opportunity for character assault.
 
Or an opportunity for character assault.
If so it was over my head...:D...and was lost on me. (Fluttering lashes) I know I can't spell...to the point sometimes I change an entire sentence. It's good when one can laugh at themselves...life is to short not to. ;)
 
What goes around...the post I referred to ("comitary") was basically a character assassination of another member.
? I don't know what your saying...sorry. The explanation of Don selling neglected trees was the explanation he offered that didn't set well with me. Spelled incorrectly...but, my head hurts from sinus...so I'm not sure who this was directed towards. But...I feel the word was appropriate. No?
com·men·tar·y
/ˈkämənˌterē/

noun

  • 1.an expression of opinions or offering of explanations explanations about an event or situation: "an editorial commentary"

No offense...but, I'm done with this rabbit hole. I feel Don explained the trees health/condition and am happy with his having his say on the tree. So...enjoy boys. I'm off to rid myself of this headache.
 
@music-maker, even the number of trees owned is a flawed approach. I own about 30 of which about a dozen are Shohin. Everyone is usually surprised at how few trees I have! Yet, most of my trees are very advanced trees, only about a half dozen are "projects".

It just so happens I've been doing bonsai for 45 or so years. But, length of time in it is no measure of bonsai expertise, either. I happen to know of a fellow who's been doing bonsai a decade longer than myself, and his trees are just awful!

I also know of a fellow who has wonderful trees, but has a professional do all the work on them. So, I really don't know if he "knows how to do bonsai" or not! I suspect he does, but he just chooses to have a pro work them.

Sure, there's probably no perfect way, but for a system where they describe their experience and location in under 50 characters of text, it more than serves it's purpose. There will obviously be many edge cases, but for what we need, it works quite well. Before we implemented it, we used to get lots of people giving crap advice, and no efficient way for people to know that the advice was coming from people with zero experience to the degree that it bordered on trolling at times (ie, they'd give wrong advice, then argue about it until you finally asked them how many trees they had worked on).

This system very much helped shake the trolls from the tree, and it has helped keep conversations productive. But honestly, most of what we use the flair for anyway is just to know which zone somebody lives in so we can tailor the advice to where they live. The experience labels are indeed pretty arbitrary indicators, but they're much better than nothing.
 
@music-maker, even the number of trees owned is a flawed approach. I own about 30 of which about a dozen are Shohin. Everyone is usually surprised at how few trees I have! Yet, most of my trees are very advanced trees, only about a half dozen are "projects".

It just so happens I've been doing bonsai for 45 or so years. But, length of time in it is no measure of bonsai expertise, either. I happen to know of a fellow who's been doing bonsai a decade longer than myself, and his trees are just awful!

I also know of a fellow who has wonderful trees, but has a professional do all the work on them. So, I really don't know if he "knows how to do bonsai" or not! I suspect he does, but he just chooses to have a pro work them.

@AdairM I thought somehow you were only in your 40's?
 
@AdairM I thought somehow you were only in your 40's?
I knew he was older than I...but, had no idea that he had that many years under his belt. When I hear of ones who are seniors (years in not necessarily age) they awe inspire me even more. You hear that @Adair M ? You awe inspire me...
 
Ya, I would not call that tree neglected. It was grown out by the guy I got it from, but I would not call that neglected.

Well, cadillactaste would like you to believe that I'm telling everyone on the forum that my tree showed up on my doorstep nearly dead lol! But, that's not what was implied nor is it what was meant and that's why no one else interpreted my post in that way either! Even though my post was made several pages back:) The tree hadn't been cut back or pruned in a minute, the moss was a little out of control and ate away at the bark on the trunk of the tree, needed new soil and root work. All of these things that it needed done to it are actually things that I enjoyed having to do! Because I do acknowledge the fact that I'm new and need to learn how to do this stuff anyway. One of the things that I enjoy most about the tree's that I've gotten from you is that the material itself always has age, great bones, but, it usually needs the exact kind of work done to it that I need to learn how to do anyway in order for the tree's to be brought up to their full potential, and being that their such nice tree's I'm forced to do things perfectly in fear of messing up a tree that is as old as me or older! Don't let a troublemaker like cadillactaste tell you what I meant. I think you know me well enough to realize that I have no problem with speaking my mind........
 
speaking my mind........
I like that you stated that you're new. I appreciate the attitude of never stop learning.
I like the tree both before and after.
You and Cad go back a bit. She's done nothing wrong. She respects Don's work that's all.
You would do the same for someone you admired. The tree is very nice- be proud of it.
 
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