Apple tree needs styling idea

[Tieball]

I seem to recall that I used the third photo PC-Petrifier on trunk and root deadwood that was always in contact with the substrate. That is a relatively blurry memory though.

In using both preservatives I did not have any negative effects on other parts of the trees. I never accidentally put this on leaves or live areas. I usually took my time and “painted” areas with a medium artist's brush. I concentrated on cracks to be sure preservative soaked well into the cracks.

 

[bonsai-max]

Kaizen Bonsai

Ready to go

 

[Tieball]

Ready to go

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Nice. The best from my experience. I’m sure someone else probably has a different favorite mojo preservative. But with my experience this product works. You do need to apply at least yearly for best results.

 

[bonsai-max]

Ok, I will try it.
But before I would try to remove the old Jin liquid patina, with a brush over a dremel, because there are too many difference in color between the jin liquid parts from the PO treatments and the new parts from me.
I will try with slow speed and we will see .....

 

[Tieball]

Ok, I will try it.
But before I would try to remove the old Jin liquid patina, with a brush over a dremel, because there are too many difference in color between the jin liquid parts from the PO treatments and the new parts from me.
I will try with slow speed and we will see .....

Good plan. Apply some artistic color blends that make sense. Deadwood doesn’t always all go dead at the same time.

You might find a branch from a different tree and try out the liquids separate from your real tree. See what happens. See what you like. Sort of like labels sometimes say…try this out on an inconspicuous place first. Experiment first.

 

[bonsai-max]

Good plan. Apply some artistic color blends that make sense. Deadwood doesn’t always all go dead at the same time.

So I spent some time to clean the old wood with the dremel tool. Looks better to me, I also spoke with the po about the white and black spots he said that white is old jin liquid and the black ehe made an error and gave iron sulphate to the plant that made the wood black....
Now I will clean it with water and tomorrow I will do more pictures with a better light, at least now the dry wood is almost all the same colour.
There is also a small wire inside.....

 

[Tieball]

And a wire buried inside too. This tree has it all. I think you’re have fun with this process too. I would.
Many deadwood places on trees I’ve had displayed several colors of deadwood…..from shades of brown to sun bleached gray tones. Sometimes like a spalted maple. I enjoyed the natural feeling of the coloration knowing that deadwood doesn’t always just start at the same time or with the same environment exposures.

 

[rockm]

FWIW, I would have used a wire brush and gently removed the worst of things and left the natural weathered stuff alone. Treated with dilute lime sulfur and let things be. A Dremel is an overly aggressive tool for such old and varied deadwood, I think anyway. The first image I saw of this tree made my jaw drop as the naturalness of the deadwood was remarkable. A dremel, IMO, scrubbed all of that off in favor of a plain mostly uniform flavor of deadwood.

 

[Tieball]

A lot of sun and weather on the deadwood should crack it back up. I’d relax the work now and let nature take over for awhile.

 

[bonsai-max]

FWIW, I would have used a wire brush and gently removed the worst of things and left the natural weathered stuff alone. Treated with dilute lime sulfur and let things be. A Dremel is an overly aggressive tool for such old and varied deadwood, I think anyway. The first image I saw of this tree made my jaw drop as the naturalness of the deadwood was remarkable. A dremel, IMO, scrubbed all of that off in favor of a plain mostly uniform flavor of deadwood.

Hi maybe you have right but the white and black on the wood was mostly powder from old lime sulfate and iron sulfate. Now I can start with a plain old and dry wood and let get old....
With the dremel I used a brass brush at very slow speed, I saw a lot of half dead apple tree and the dead part is always dark, darker than the jin liquid

A lot of sun and weather on the deadwood should crack it back up. I’d relax the work now and let nature take over for awhile.

That's the plan

 

[bonsai-max]

Today after a rain and with different light looks better, more natural IMO.
I am thinking to use just a 50-50 lime sulfur and water to give some gray and let as is outside.

 

[Tieball]

I’m old school I guess. I would let it weather outside longer before applications. The sun will provide a natural bleaching that looks more natural. I’d look at it next season to see if color enhancements were needed. It’s the slower path to a deadwood color but more attractive in my view. Lime Sulfur, to me, tends to look forced and unreal to many times.

 

[bonsai-max]

I’m old school I guess. I would let it weather outside longer before applications. The sun will provide a natural bleaching that looks more natural. I’d look at it next season to see if color enhancements were needed. It’s the slower path to a deadwood color but more attractive in my view. Lime Sulfur, to me, tends to look forced and unreal to many times.

Ok, will see next spring after a winter outside. We will see the results and discuss about the eventual styling.
I was thinking the whole night about this job but the PO used some sintetic paint black and gray plus the iron sulphate and the LS and black tar in some small areas, maybe was good or not but I am happy to get off all these chemical the nature will do the rest as you said....
Here will be very hot next days and I will spray some water over the dry wood.

 

[Tieball]

Ok, will see next spring after a winter outside. We will see the results and discuss about the eventual styling.
I was thinking the whole night about this job but the PO used some sintetic paint black and gray plus the iron sulphate and the LS and black tar in some small areas, maybe was good or not but I am happy to get off all these chemical the nature will do the rest as you said....
Here will be very hot next days and I will spray some water over the dry wood.

You’re heading in the right direction. Sounds like the PO tried to paint it to look aged with the variety of colors…..or just kept trying new methods to achieve aging…..each layer on top of the earlier layer.

 

[bonsai-max]

Yes he confirmed this few minutes ago on telephone, he was thinking that the plant did not survive to the incident and used as a test plant....

 

[AshleyMammal]

For me, I'd lean the other way. Perhaps my choice would be a little obvious and a common approach but I'd aim for something like:

 

[Tieball]

For me, I'd lean the other way. Perhaps my choice would be a little obvious and a common approach but I'd aim for something like:
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This is a good thought. I like your line of thinking. I wonder if the healthy root side supports a move like this @bonsai-max ?

I like that the slant you thought through supports a stronger canopy growth feature.

I often see Apple trees in forgotten orchards which are partially toppled over from sheer winds and orchard neglect. Sometimes the cutting tractor just came to close and helped push it away. Somehow the Apple trees continue to grow despite being dealt a traumatic repositioning on earth.

 

[Tieball]

@bonsai-max This section of trunk is particular nice. The tree holds on to a lot of weathered character. I think that this will weather beautifully.

 

[Tieball]

Hmmmmmm…..I think the ultimate goal for you is keeping this beautiful tree alive. A weathered survivor.

 

[bonsai-max]

This is a good thought. I like your line of thinking. I wonder if the healthy root side supports a move like this @bonsai-max ?

For me, I'd lean the other way. Perhaps my choice would be a little obvious and a common approach but I'd aim for something like

That a good option, the plant is in this position after the accident, when during a thunderstorm some object falls over her and partially toppled from the weight. Ripping the roots and killing almost the whole plant.
The plant was root take out from the ground pruned root and put in this pot nobody touched the plant after that because my friend was thinking that the whole plant was dead, but suddenly a small branch started to grow and he used as a test plant for some years.
No Idea about the roots conditions.