Yamadori bald cypress $75

[Gabler]

You know what they say when you assume. Also why not ask how much root do they have? Why just assume I'm trying to hustle ppl.

That's the issue. No one here is assuming you're trying to cheat anyone out of their money.

First and foremost, these are forums where people come to request and share advice. The users are largely people seeking advice and people who think it's fun to give advice. It's totally normal for someone to see your pictures, worry that you might have made a mistake, and offer advice just in case. In fact, that's what I'm doing right now. I see that you may have mistaken some advice for an attack on your credibility as a seller, and I chimed in to clarify that isn't the situation.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

Then what are people assuming? I'll gladly provide pictures to help them un-assume. Still waiting on homeboy to come on here and do some unassuming. People are quick to say negative. Now that I've proven what I said with pictures I'm getting crickets. So the orignal hate commenter can come do some retracting whenever they ready. Unfortunately even with photographic proof I don't expect an apology. He assumed wrong he is wrong now he can adress the "they should root out" comment. It's disrespectful and I dont like mean people. Simple as that I was right he was wrong. Then his buddies doubled down. Now I have pics everyone wanna get quiet. They were also wrong.

 

[Cajunrider]

The way I see it, the original offer said nothing about the root condition so Johng thought it was recently collected and made the comments. While that was a wrong assumption, it was reasonable to make. I was thinking the same thing myself. MetarieMatthew asserted that the roots are OK then they are OK. I really don't see the need for get into arguments here. Let us all just chill.
The asking price is good for the material. I think the trees are suitable for newcomers to BC bonsai to start.

 

[rockm]

You know what they say when you assume. Also why not ask how much root do they have? Why just assume I'm trying to hustle ppl.

Wow. That's really not how selling stuff works. It shouldn't be up to me to question you about the basics--and time out of the ground is an important basic for collected trees. As for the hustle part, not assuming anything just using facts. You've been around since last summer according to your profile. You have 233 messages, with not a lot of sales and have been doing bonsai for (what?) a couple of years at best. All That hardly makes this a hustle, but your reaction to simple suggestions and questions, as well as giving grief to one of the most knowledgeable BC people here simply for providing solid advice about how to sell collected trees isn't helping you.

 

[Gabler]

Then what are people assuming? I'll gladly provide pictures to help them un-assume. Still waiting on homeboy to come on here and do some unassuming. People are quick to say negative. Now that I've proven what I said with pictures I'm getting crickets. So the orignal hate commenter can come do some retracting whenever they ready. Unfortunately even with photographic proof I don't expect an apology. He assumed wrong he is wrong now he can adress the "they should root out" comment. It's disrespectful and I dont like mean people. Simple as that I was right he was wrong. Then his buddies doubled down. Now I have pics everyone wanna get quiet. They were also wrong.

I'll try to explain this one more time, since it seems my prior comments were not sufficiently clear. No one has assumed anything about the quality of your trees or your integrity as a seller. You did not provide information about your trees' date of collection, and without that context, they appear to be recently collected because they were recently chopped. Once you explained that your trees were not recently collected, no one disputed it. On the contrary, John G. politely wished you good luck. The quality of your merchandise is no longer at issue, at least not as far as John G. is concerned.

We are frustrated because there have been no hateful comments in this entire thread, whatsoever. You have misinterpreted helpful advice as a mean comment. John G. was not disrespectful, and he was not mean. He does not owe you an apology for giving you advice on a forum where people come to get advice.

I came to his defense because he is very knowledgable about bald cypress and he is an asset to this community. Many great bonsai practitioners have left this forum because of angry responses to helpful advice. If I can help prevent that from happening, I'll do what I can.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

Wow. That's really not how selling stuff works. It shouldn't be up to me to question you about the basics--and time out of the ground is an important basic for collected trees. As for the hustle part, not assuming anything just using facts. You've been around since last summer according to your profile. You have 233 messages, with not a lot of sales and have been doing bonsai for (what?) a couple of years at best. All That hardly makes this a hustle, but your reaction to simple suggestions and questions, as well as giving grief to one of the most knowledgeable BC people here simply for providing solid advice about how to sell collected trees isn't helping you.

Yeah im not reading all that.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

I'll try to explain this one more time, since it seems my prior comments were not sufficiently clear. No one has assumed anything about the quality of your trees or your integrity as a seller. You did not provide information about your trees' date of collection, and without that context, they appear to be recently collected because they were recently chopped. Once you explained that your trees were not recently collected, no one disputed it. On the contrary, John G. politely wished you good luck. The quality of your merchandise is no longer at issue, at least not as far as John G. is concerned.

We are frustrated because there have been no hateful comments in this entire thread, whatsoever. You have misinterpreted helpful advice as a mean comment. John G. was not disrespectful, and he was not mean. He does not owe you an apology for giving you advice on a forum where people come to get advice.

I came to his defense because he is very knowledgable about bald cypress and he is an asset to this community. Many great bonsai practitioners have left this forum because of angry responses to helpful advice. If I can help prevent that from happening, I'll do what I can.

I'll explain this again to you. You are wrong so is ya boy. Get off my back.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

The way I see it, the original offer said nothing about the root condition so Johng thought it was recently collected and made the comments. While that was a wrong assumption, it was reasonable to make. I was thinking the same thing myself. MetarieMatthew asserted that the roots are OK then they are OK. I really don't see the need for get into arguments here. Let us all just chill.
The asking price is good for the material. I think the trees are suitable for newcomers to BC bonsai to start.

Thanks. Quick question on your post for the 2024 bc starters you have 2 trees forsale. You didn't mention roots but John didn't jump all on you post to make "helpful comments" he didn't assume you messed up. I have every right to be upset. John torpedoed my sale thread. He was wrong with his assumptions. If I came on your thread and torpedoed it. You would have feeling too. Great trees btw.

 

[rockm]

 

[Dabbler]

I use to be on this site under a different name some 7 or so years ago and I forgot how spicy some new people get.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

John im in the swamp right now. Is this enough roots to sell to you. I can remove all the trunk so you can have more root.

 

[19Mateo83]

 

[Deleted member 49943]

John im thinking about collecting this tree. Does it have roots?

 

[Deleted member 49943]

New tree added. Look at all them roots.

 

[Srt8madness]

They're not implying anything. They're assuming, since you neglected to provide any of that information up front and then only after you got upset with potential buyers for assuming it.

What John said is honest and all true. There's no reason to get snippy. He was pretty polite making some valid suggestions.

He politely shit on this guy's trees in a sale thread. A PM would have been far more appropriate.

 

[Srt8madness]

@Metairiematthew you may consider FB .99 bonsai for these. They'll get snapped up quick sans the peanut gallery.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

He politely shit on this guy's trees in a sale thread. A PM would have been far more appropriate.

Hey thanks for being kind to me. If you like a bc I'll send you one free of charge. I was literally looking thru the privacy and security settings to delete my account. I'm not trying to profit off them I was probably going to lose money on shipping but they are small to ship cheap and more people can try their hand at bc. Cajunrider has amazing trees for great prices. Even so thats probably not in everyone's price range but for the trees he has thats a steal. Anyone know how to delete your account? Srt8madness ill wait to delete till I hear back about your tree.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

@Metairiematthew you may consider FB .99 bonsai for these. They'll get snapped up quick sans the peanut gallery.

Thanks man. Hmu about the tree so I can delete my account here.

 

[Deleted member 49943]

New tree added. Look at all them roots.

Sold to a private collector in Japan. Really took me up on that $75 free shipping.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

You didn't mention roots but John didn't jump all on you post to make "helpful comments" he didn't assume you messed up. I have every right to be upset. John torpedoed my sale thread. He was wrong with his assumptions. If I came on your thread and torpedoed it. You would have feeling too.

There is a Japanese term in koi breeding / showing - "tategoi" - which means "koi with potential for the future". Even though "yamadori" literally means "collected from the mountains" I have begun to apply the meaning of tategoi to yamadori - "a tree from the wild with future potential as bonsai".

When I read @johng post, I don't see him attacking you as much as being honest. I would not define the trees you are selling as "yamadori" because I don't see much potential in them as future bonsai. There is no taper in them, no root buttresses (which are difficult if not impossible to get to form in a container without a ton of work), and questionable roots. I say "questionable" because unless you show a photo of them, they are unknown to a potential buyer.

I believe these are the same trees that you yourself posted here less than a month ago as a curb find. I am not knocking you for picking them up - I may have done the same. However they were not selectively collected as future bonsai - nor were they developed as pre-bonsai. They would be the ultimate definition of sticks in pots. Then (if they are the same trees) you posted photos of potting them up and chopping the trunks at a steep angle. Next they show up in a "for sale" post showing the trunks chopped a second time, now at a right angle. Am I wrong? Can you not critically look at your own posts, and see why people (who are not haters) would have a reason to question their health? A recent repot plus two trunk chops and very young fresh buds... kinda sketchy IN MY OPINION.

When people raise these issues I think it is appropriate to consider the source - their experience level, whether they know what they are talking about, and their possible motive. Is it possible that people are just being honest and trying to be helpful?