What's the point of buying quality root shears?

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I have a small pair of Fiskars shears that served me well for years but now the soft plastic on the handle is disintegrating. It's still usuable, just ugly. I figured it's a good excuse to buy something better, but what's the point if I'm risking cutting soil and dulling it? I even saw on another thread Nishimura from Kaneshin himself recommended in an email using something cheap for root cutting. Maybe root cutters don't really exist and they're just a different shape pruning shears and you're supposed to wear them out on regular pruning and switch to using them on the roots when they're more beat up?

Any recommendations for shears that I don't need to be fussy over beating up on roots, while still being durable with no plastic parts? My good twig shears aren't ready to be rotated to root duty yet
 
I use my old scissors for rough root cutting... but I use my good scissors for big root cuts which I want to seal. In those cases I want as clean a cut as possible, which I will seal with cut paste.

Check out Wazakura scissors, which are a bargain (in my opinion) for the quality. $39.99 for good Japanese steel scissors - free shipping in the US. Note: Wazakura supports this site, so if you buy anything from them the site gets an advertising fee... but they are who I buy my tools from.

 
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There's no way round it. Cutting through soil will blunt any cutting tool but we still need to cut those roots. Definitely avoid using the good cutters on roots so they stay sharp longer. Cheaper cutters may be OK for root pruning but might also need sharpening more often. Good quality will (almost) always outlast cheap and will also stay sharp longer.
In the end you will need to sharpen (or replace) root cutting tools more than branch cutting tools, does not matter how much you paid or what brand. Sharp tools are easier to use and clean cuts definitely heal quicker and reduce chances of infection.
 

Been using mine for about five years now. I haven't chipped or dulled it yet.
 
For roots I use garden scissors by a decent quality western manufacturer. They were about 10E. Big, strong, sharp, cheap. Haven't even had to sharpen them yet, unlike my bonsai tools which seem much more fragile.

Don't think it's worth it spending 40+ on a bonsai specific scisssors for roots. You're probably better off getting some sharpening stones and cheap sheers instead. Anything will dull, especially so when cutting in dirt or substrate.
 
It depends upon the roots I am cutting. For the finer roots I use a pair of scissors but for larger roots I use a pair of Felco pruners. They are easy enough to sharpen as needed. Having been in the nursery business for decades, I have several pair.
 
I use fish cutting sheers from a Vietnam fish market. A sharp point for probing and the scissors are built for tough use and rough handling….wet or dry cutting. The scissors have been in use for more than ten years and still cut perfectly. Care has just been wiping the scissors off after use. I think the scissors were USD $3.00
 
For use it’s all about a quality hinge, leverage and durability. We use felco secateurs for mostly garden work, sometimes for heavy root work.

Have used a selection of root scissors. Do not like rust magnets, so use a couple

BONSAI SCISSORS LARGE – (KANESHIN) “ LENGTH 185MM ” NO.40E. And another model that has longer handles, but just as beefy. These are not rust magnets compared to the other brands we’ve tested in wet nasty conditions.

Sadly a recent pair of Wazakura root scissors and one from American bonsai we tested got rusty really fast, (like by the end of the day event though they are well maintained each day!). So, although we loved the design, no go for us… despite our desire to use these. Maybe it’s just the Puget Sound spring and fall weather?

It pays to keep these well oiled and very sharp!

Good luck!

Cheers
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I would avoid high-carbon steel for root cutting, unless you clean it after every few snips and sharpen it once a day. Abrasive and wet materials are brutal on this type of steel. You can use an old beater pair, but using dull scissors is no fun, even for rough work.

Stainless steel makes a lot more sense. Firstly, it will resist rust much better, so you don’t have to baby it if it gets a little wet. Secondly, the alloys added to stainless steels make them more abrasion-resistant, which usually helps with edge retention when cutting sandy or dirty material. Not all stainless steel is created equally, though. Tian makes some respectable tools in a few different quality grades, but generally equivalent to 420 and 440 steel. I have a branch and root cutter in the lowest grade Tian stainless. They are good but not great, but honestly, for the price and being made in China, they exceeded my expectations considerably.

You can go up from there to Hitachi ginsan aka silver paper steel, similar to their high carbon steels (white and blue) but with additional alloys to resist rusting. Most people will tell you this is one of the nicest to sharpen stainless steels out there, but that generally means edge retention will suffer too. Anyway, if you want a stainless steel that feels like high-carbon on your whetstones, this is it. I’m not sure if there are any easy-to-find brands sold in the US, but it’s not too hard to find ginsan bonsai tools if you buy direct from Japan (Yahoo auctions via Buyee etc).

You can also find Hitachi SLD (the Japanese version of D2 steel). Compared to ginsan, SLD is more abrasion-resistant but less rust-resistant (sometimes called semi-stainless). So it should hold an edge better but be more difficult to sharpen compared to ginsan. SLD is a very reasonable choice for root work, and it’s easy to find in the US on Amazon from wholesaler brands Wazakura and Kakuri. I’ve got a pair of Wazakura SLD scissors that I use for root trimming all the time. They work well, don’t rust very much (just cleaned some light surface rust off and oiled them tonight), and aren’t that much more difficult to sharpen than my high-carbon steels. They come with the added benefit that I have to clean the rust off and sharpen them much less, so the sharpening thing is moot in my view.

I’ve seen A8 (aka AUS-8) stainless from Kikuwa as well, but A8 isn’t a terribly impressive stainless steel, and for the pric,e I would get the Tian cutters instead.

Now, if you really want something that will cut roots and stay sharp, it’s some form of high-speed steel. This seems to be very difficult to find in Japanese-made cutting tools, though. I’ve only found one or two examples in ikebana scissors. That said, you might be able to find HSS scissors for some other purpose that works well for root trimming. Another user mentioned that he uses HSS fly-tying scissors.

In any case, I wouldn't subject my high-carbon steel tools to the abuse that my stainless steel tools get, so that would be my recommendation, unless you get lucky and can find a pair of HSS scissors.
 
You seem to know a lot about steel in general. How do you even know which brand uses which steel though, since it's rarely mentioned? I'd also read that Stainless is more brittle, chips easier, and because of this and in general is harder to sharpen. So I thought stainless would be better kept away from soil particles which might chip it, and because it needs sharpening more often anyway. Plus I'm not worried about rust, so unless I could find something with HSS I think I'd prefer carbon.
Either way I'd love to order something japanese but after seeing the shipping fees from Kaneshin I think I'll have to stay domestic (EU in my case), which also severely limits my options I think. In my country the only brands I can find with Stainless are Ryuga and Matsu, and Hananomai but that's way out of my budget, especially for root shears
 
@RozendaalArts
On Aliexpress you can buy Tian Bonsai tools which are great quality at a very reasonable price.
When ordering from Aliexpress you don't have to worry about VAT anymore (because you already paid it on check out).

Tian Bonsai produces tools for many other brands (like Ryuga, see this topic).
 
You are certainly free to continue on the quest for the perfect root scissors. Yet almost seems like to me we are at the point of overthinking a purchase? How many trees are you planning on using these?

After 7 years of intense use on seriously hundreds of root balls big, medium and small trees with many kinds of media from stone, lava, pumice etc these decently made second hand over 20 yoa Japanese scissors (note one isn’t even ‘root’ scissors!) still take a licking and keep on ticking.

The key is the care. Learn to sharpen, strop and oil your scissors and they will last an incredibly long period of time.

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I don’t buy root shears. Waste of money. I evolve root shears. They are old shears that are as precise as they used to be for top work.
 
True, it's not like I'm spoiled for choice anyway, I've already decided which ones I'll get but some comments have been interesting anyway, with info I might keep in mind for when my regular shears need upgrading, and hopefully my wallet will allow an upgrade
 
That’s great to hear. Pretty much the same comments will apply for any tool.

Once one is in the quality tool arena, maintenance and technique trump more expense.

Cheers
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Some consideration should be given to the methodology used for root cutting. If one uses a chopstick or root hook to free the soil gradually and trims roots when the soil has been freed that is very different from cutting through the soil to get at the roots. For that purpose I think it is best to use the tool designed for that purpose. It might be useful to discuss the use of a root saw to limit the damage to root cutters. We could also discuss the variety of root cutters used to limit the use of shears.
I concur that the important aspect is the ability to maintain an edge and the value in care of the tool as mentioned by others. I tend to use ARP small scissors for the smaller roots and Kaneshin root cutters for larger roots. That being said there are lots of ways. If the roots are cut cleanly and the tool works everyone should be happy.
 

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The angled scissor by ARS, posted above by River's Edge also works well.
 
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