Tulip Tree questions

jeanluc83 said:
I was in the "anything can be a bonsai" camp but I'm starting to realize some trees really are just a waste of time. EWP and red maple fall in this category. Yes there are a couple nice examples of each but for the most part you are met with frustration. I only have so much time I can spend on bonsai. I would rather work with species that I know can become nice trees.



Sometimes I miss that guy. A throw down between him and @sorce would be interesting.
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I plan to waste more time with an Acer Rubrum soon....and I'm already wasting time on an EWP.
 
Dav4 said:
I think some guy named Dario said that, too, a while back.... and you can bet your backside it was debated to death here without either side of the argument conceding any ground... I was shocked!:rolleyes:
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There wasn't a "debate" with Dario. For that to occur, both sides have to have a thorough understanding of the topic. One side in that argument simply didn't have much knowledge or experience in what they were running their jaw about. It wasn't a debate, so much as it was an argument with a wall--avery irritating, yammering, self-regarding wall...;)
 
rockm said:
There wasn't a "debate" with Dario. For that to occur, both sides have to have a thorough understanding of the topic. One side in that argument simply didn't have much knowledge or experience in what they were running their jaw about. It wasn't a debate, so much as it was an argument with a wall--avery irritating, yammering, self-regarding wall...;)
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His last post here was 3.5 years ago and he's still 9th on the list on post count... he did A LOT of er... um... debating here:rolleyes:.
 
Dav4 said:
I think some guy named Dario said that, too, a while back.... and you can bet your backside it was debated to death here without either side of the argument conceding any ground... I was shocked!:rolleyes:
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Shocking indeed! Dario was a self-made expert in every topic known to man, and always the first to reply to any post. It was like a game to him.

I don't know what has happened to him or his trees, for a while he was pretty active on his facebook group ("bonsai odyssey") but I rarely see him posting there these days.
 
coh said:
Shocking indeed! Dario was a self-made expert in every topic known to man, and always the first to reply to any post. It was like a game to him.

I don't know what has happened to him or his trees, for a while he was pretty active on his facebook group ("bonsai odyssey") but I rarely see him posting there these days.
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More bandwidth for everyone else?
 
Dav4 said:
His last post here was 3.5 years ago and he's still 9th on the list on post count... he did A LOT of er... um... debating here:rolleyes:.
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If I remember correct he met Walter Pall and that was then end.

To his credit he was doing quite a lot with his trees for someone that was new. He wasn't all talk but the ratio of quality to quantity was off but a good factor.
 
jeanluc83 said:
If I remember correct he met Walter Pall and that was then end.

To his credit he was doing quite a lot with his trees for someone that was new. He wasn't all talk but the ratio of quality to quantity was off but a good factor.
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That's true, unlike some here currently he wrote in a readable fashion and it was mostly about bonsai. But he spoke as if he had done everything and knew everything, which of course he didn't, and gave "advice" he shouldn't have been giving. The overwintering suggestions he shared with some newcomers in the northern states (he always lived in Texas) is particularly memorable. That said, I have seen the evolution of some of his projects on the facebook group (though no recent updates) and some were developing nicely.
 
Hi . Here's mine ,it's about 8 years old . It's winter here so no photo of the leaves ,they do reduce quite easily I've been getting them a little bit smaller than just.wing.it 's photo without to much effort . They are slow to ramify and slow growers in general . The roots grow very quick , I used to grow it in a smaller pot but it was to much effort to look after it in the growing season .
Cheers Sno .
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Sno said:
Hi . Here's mine ,it's about 8 years old . It's winter here so no photo of the leaves ,they do reduce quite easily I've been getting them a little bit smaller than just.wing.it 's photo without to much effort . They are slow to ramify and slow growers in general . The roots grow very quick , I used to grow it in a smaller pot but it was to much effort to look after it in the growing season .
Cheers Sno .
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That is a great tree and I especially like the mounting in the pot.
 
Walter Pall said:
What does this mean? Curious
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No offence meant.

To me it seemed that Dario had a bit of a big head. Again, if I remember right, it was shortly after he met you that he called it quits here and split off on his own. I can only assume that after his brush with a bonsai celebrity (not fully kidding) his head got even bigger and he just floated off.

I never had any problems with Dario. He was passionate about what he was doing and did what he could to back up his assertions with real evidence. He welcomed new members and offered advice. I think what rubbed people the wrong way was when he offered advice with an air of authority that was not backed up by experience.

Back to the subject at hand, Walter you have in your collection many trees that are not traditional species for bonsai but have made spectacular trees out of them. What advice can you offer for these kinds of trees?
 
Okay, I remember Dario too, would like to have him back at half speed.

Here is my Lirodendron tulipifera, tulip magnolia. Yes tiny leaves do happen, but in no way do I think this tree is healthy. Collected as a seedling, March 2017, for the 2017 summer leaves were huge. This year it was late leafing out and leaves are underdeveloped. Every branch died back. I wintered this fairly exposed, simply under a bench, on ty ground. Perhaps too cold? Perhaps a different problem.

It would work as bonsai if I could get leaves this small on a healthy tree.

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Do a google search of “tulip poplar bonsai”, then click “images”. What do you see?

The first 40 images are of bonsai that are NOT tulip poplar, or are stock pictures of tulip poplar leaves and flowers. It not until you get to image 41 that you see what some poor smuck was able to make of one. Image 43 is even worse. But they are tulip poplars in pots.

Hmmmm... no images of tulip tree bonsai on google? Does that give you a clue?

Much has been said of the leaf size... but the REAL problem is the weak branches. They are super fast growers. And like all fast growers, they make weak branches. They are genetically programmed to grow as tall as possible as fast as possible. Branches are temporary. So they grow them, and as soon as other branches form above form, they start stuffing the lower ones off. Anyone who has ever had one in their yard can attest to all the branches and twigs that the trees seem to shed every winter.
 
Ouch .my first post here and I've been lumped in with the " poor smuck brigade . Adair I realize my tree is no show stopper .
These trees aren't native to oz and I had never seen one in the landscape . After growing mine I presumed they were a slow growing tree because mine grows very slow . mine is 25 cm high . I have put it in this larger pot that it is in now to try and grow it quicker ,not that I want it taller but I want more ramification . I have never lost a branch on it . Yes it's only 8 years from seed so time will tell if your assuming will come true .
Cheers Sno
 
@Sno, don’t take any offense at the guys here jumping on your case. Heck, I started out with an Eastern Red Cedar post. I think most of the people on this site are just trying to keep us newbies from wasting our time. Working with trees that will most likely give poor results is a sure fire way to get a new person to quit bonsai. It is apparent that some of these guys didn’t graduate from Dale Carnagie, but I don’t think Dale ever made any descent bonsai either. :)
 
Silentrunning said:
@Sno, don’t take any offense at the guys here jumping on your case. Heck, I started out with an Eastern Red Cedar post. I think most of the people on this site are just trying to keep us newbies from wasting our time. Working with trees that will most likely give poor results is a sure fire way to get a new person to quit bonsai. It is apparent that some of these guys didn’t graduate from Dale Carnagie, but I don’t think Dale ever made any descent bonsai either. :)
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I am not afraid to speak my mind. I just tell as it is with over 45 years of experience.

Don’t throw your tree in the trash, but don’t expect anything much either.

Update your profile so we can see where you are.

Your “tulip tree” may not be the same species as what we have in the Eastern US.

By the way, has anyone done the Google search?

P.S. They don’t ramify. That’s part of the problem!
 
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