Newbie with bonsai wisteria

[rockm]

Interesting thread. I bought a wisteria at Lowe's this spring with eventual bonsai in my plans. It's in a 5-gallon pot and growing vigorously, with tendrils encircling a stand of cannas growing behind it's pot. But from the post-purchase research I've done (yes, I realize I have this backwards) it seems there is a distinctly Japanese version that blooms before the foliage emerges and the American version that leafs-out long before the blooms arrive. I wanted the former. But I suppose I'll just muddle on through and see how it works out. The beast is a water hog in our Texas heat and August is still on the horizon...View attachment 495433

Wisteria Sinensis (Chinese Wisteria) is the most common variety used for bonsai. Wisteria Floribunda (Japanese Wisteria) is also sometimes used. There are roughly two dozen cultivars of Japanese wisteria. Some, like Macrobotrys, can produce flower racemes two-three feet long. There are also American varieties--wisteria frutescens and Kentucky Wisteria --wisteria machrostachya native to the eastern U.S. Of the three, Chinese wisteria is the most vigorous and produces the most flowers. Japanese varieties of Floribunda can also be a vigorous grower (both species are invasive in the U.S). BTW you can tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese wisteria by the direction their vines twist--Chinese twists counterclock-wise, while The Japanese species twists clockwise.

American wisteria isn't as fast growing nor does it produce flowers the abundance of the Asian varieties from what I've seen. It's been used as bonsai. I think there was one posted here a while back. Blooms aren't hanging racemes as in the Asian species. The flowers on American species tend to be six inches or so.

It can vary, but for the most part, Chinese Wisteria tends to push flowers before green growth begins.

ALL of them require extremely high light and heavy organic soil to do well as bonsai. They use a lot of water when growing, which means they need moist to even wet soil. Some people place the pots halfway submerged in buckets or larger containers in the summer to keep them hydrated.

If you're into wisteria, this book is great

Wisterias: A Comprehensive Guide: Valder, Peter: 9780881923186: Amazon.com: Books

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[HorseloverFat]

I’m trying to do the same thing but on a much smaller scale to fit inside our house which is why I want advice on what I have we’re in London and we know in USA everything is bigger an better but that’s not what I want but thank for your advice

Lots of Mame and shohin guys In the US, too... "Bigger and Better" Is a regional thing here... Mostly isolated to our largest state, Texas... And even then... Kind of a stereotype

...don't forget, a HUGE portion of the people here have DNA which is FROM Europe.

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He was simply showing you the training... And technique/growth/WORK involved in creating (ANY SIZE) realistic trunks on 'Vining species'... Because you were asking about it.

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Also... Here's a bit of applicable reading, regarding your plans to move it inside.

Can My Bonsai Tree Go Indoors?

This is an often asked question! I hope this flowchart will help you decide. Constructive feedback is welcomed—I’m not looking to start arguments. My goal is to make this as generally accurate and as broadly applicable to anybody facing this...

www.bonsainut.com

 

[Sam77]

Lots of Mame and shohin guys In the US, too... "Bigger and Better" Is a regional thing here... Mostly isolated to our largest state, Texas... And even then... Kind of a stereotype

...don't forget, a HUGE portion of the people here have DNA which is FROM Europe.

...

He was simply showing you the training... And technique/growth/WORK involved in creating (ANY SIZE) realistic trunks on 'Vining species'... Because you were asking about it.

...

Also... Here's a bit of applicable reading, regarding your plans to move it inside.

Can My Bonsai Tree Go Indoors?

This is an often asked question! I hope this flowchart will help you decide. Constructive feedback is welcomed—I’m not looking to start arguments. My goal is to make this as generally accurate and as broadly applicable to anybody facing this...

www.bonsainut.com

Ok but the advice was to do what I do but I don’t want my bonsai to look like a lop sided 10” trunk like his as I said I want a wisteria bonsai to look like a bonsai and maybe which branches to cut off the trunk to achieve this, but all I got was hack the hell out of it and I shouldn’t of even grown from a shoot and it’s gonna die inside our summerhouse which is glass?!

Anyhow I value good advice and info and will make my own judgement on that

 

[rockm]

Ok but the advice was to do what I do but I don’t want my bonsai to look like a lop sided 10” trunk like his as I said I want a wisteria bonsai to look like a bonsai and maybe which branches to cut off the trunk to achieve this, but all I got was hack the hell out of it and I shouldn’t of even grown from a shoot and it’s gonna die inside our summerhouse which is glass?!

Anyhow I value good advice and info and will make my own judgement on that

So you keep adding critical info and get mad at advice? . You have a glass "summer house"--- so it's like a greenhouse? Well, OK....that's not really "inside" at all. Still, it's not really great for wisteria...

I gave you advice on how to create a mature-looking bonsai. Drastic pruning is part of creating a mature looking bonsai. What you're starting with is juvenile material that doesn't really fit the mold you're trying to create for it. Mature looking bonsai are generally NOT GROWN UP FROM SEED or Made out of saplings--I'm assuming that you got these as seed, possibly in a "bonsai kit?" FWIW, Mature looking bonsai are generally CUT DOWN FROM LARGE TREES and regrow apex/branching. Imma out....

 

[Sam77]

So you keep adding critical info and get mad at advice? . You have a glass "summer house"--- so it's like a greenhouse? Well, OK....that's not really "inside" at all. Still, it's not really great for wisteria...

I gave you advice on how to create a mature-looking bonsai. Drastic pruning is part of creating a mature looking bonsai. What you're starting with is juvenile material that doesn't really fit the mold you're trying to create for it. Mature looking bonsai are generally NOT GROWN UP FROM SEED or Made out of saplings--I'm assuming that you got these as seed, possibly in a "bonsai kit?" FWIW, Mature looking bonsai are generally CUT DOWN FROM LARGE TREES and regrow apex/branching. Imma out....

As I stated before I have grown this bonsai from a mother plant shoot which has been so satisfying watching grow over the years so I happy just wanted good advice on my application. Thanks for yours

 

[Srt8madness]

You got good advice, you just don't like it.

 

[Sam77]

You got good advice, you just don't like it.

I got bad advice and I ain’t taking no bull onboard

Your bonsai will die
You have the wrong place
Etc etc…. Anyhow I thought this place was somewhere ppl can share good advice and when someone says my plant was dead 3 years ago when it wasnt talking shit

 

[Srt8madness]

I got bad advice and I ain’t taking no bull onboard

Your bonsai will die
You have the wrong place
Etc etc…. Anyhow I thought this place was somewhere ppl can share good advice and when someone says my plant was dead 3 years ago when it wasnt talking shit

You're clearly uninformed on how basics like taper and branch structure is created on a bonsai. You don't have a bonsai, you have a leggy vine in a pot. There are specific things that need to be done to create a credible bonsai. It's cool if you don't want to do them, but don't whine about it.

 

[rockm]

I got bad advice and I ain’t taking no bull onboard

Your bonsai will die
You have the wrong place
Etc etc…. Anyhow I thought this place was somewhere ppl can share good advice and when someone says my plant was dead 3 years ago when it wasnt talking shit

Oh for crying out loud. You chose not to listen and to argue over something you obviously have no clue about. What you're asking is not possible with what you have at the moment. Bonsai takes time to reach the right stage to make design changes. Yours aren't where they should be for what you're asking about. I've hinted, shouted and tried to get you to see that, but you remain blind to what needs to be done and centered on a point that your material hasn't reached.

Also, if everyone else seems to be a problem, perhaps the problem isn't everyone else...

 

[Sam77]

my bonsai that I have kept indoors for 5 years isn’t dead!?

My bonsai that was by grown from a shoot is doing fine

Keep your American advice between yourselves I’m not a mug I appreciate when people give good advice even on this thread but you are taking the piss who wants a bonsai that looks like the one in your pic and you comment that mine should have died 3 years ago when it’s not get a life

 

[rockm]

my bonsai that I have kept indoors for 5 years isn’t dead!?

My bonsai that was by grown from a shoot is doing fine

Keep your American advice between yourselves I’m not a mug I appreciate when people give good advice even on this thread but you are taking the piss who wants a bonsai that looks like the one in your pic and you comment that mine should have died 3 years ago when it’s not get a life

God you're an idiot

 

[Sam77]

God you're an idiot

Speak for yourself you American idiot

I thought this was a place to get good tips obviously not

 

[Sam77]

Hack your invasive species and be done with it even better just shoot and kill it like you know how to do caaaaaaant

 

[Srt8madness]

And we're at full on gibberish

 

[Srt8madness]

my bonsai that I have kept indoors for 5 years isn’t dead!?

My bonsai that was by grown from a shoot is doing fine

Keep your American advice between yourselves I’m not a mug I appreciate when people give good advice even on this thread but you are taking the piss who wants a bonsai that looks like the one in your pic and you comment that mine should have died 3 years ago when it’s not get a life

What Bonsai?

 

[Sam77]

And we're at full on gibberish

Too much inbreeding there

 

[_#1_]

If you're happy with the trunk size of your bonsai, cut back to the first green bud you see on every branch. This will promote backbudding and create ramification.

If you want the trunk to thicken up, put them in a bigger pot and let them grow unrestricted until you're happy with the trunk size.

Easy!

 

[Srt8madness]

Too much inbreeding there

That's why you're posting gibberish? I mean I knew the royals were into that, didn't know it was so vogue among the common folk...