coh
Imperial Masterpiece
There hasn't really been much vitriol in this thread.
Late summer repotting
- Thread starter Walter Pall
- Start date
Lazylightningny
Masterpiece
Rafael Najmanovich
Mame
I think if people here had a respectful attitude, Walter, myself and others would be happy to discuss but the arguments here very quickly dive into insults and a general tone that is void of any respect that I am 100% sure, these people would not use had they been having the same discussion in person with whoever they're attacking.
Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
Yes, so repotting OK if done 6 to 8 weeks before the ground looses the residual warmth of summer and puts the roots into dormancy, in zone 8. Translate that to zone 5 and you're talking about... August. August + 8 weeks is November.
Cable
Omono
We're scheduled for upper 70s / low 80s for the next few weeks.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
I had to go back through the thread to see if I wasn't remembering what happened correctly.
I'm not sure what got into Derek, maybe some previous negative interactions with Walter? But while some of his questions were reasonable, some of his comments were uncalled for. Referring to Walter as "some guy from south Germany" was definitely disrespectful and appears designed to draw a reaction...which it did, of course.
On the other hand, I think Walter over-reacted. For instance, "I do NOT come here to educate people. I show what I do and you can do with this what you like. You can discuss this, but not with me. I do not owe anybody any explanation. And I will keep getting the best trees I can even if some explode of envy. " Really? "You can discuss this, but not with me?" Is that necessary? Walter has been around the internet for long enough to know this is not how things work. I hope Walter keeps posting here but those kinds of statements from him can help fuel hostility in others. It's a 2-way street.
Anyway, lots of good stuff to think about in this thread so thanks to everyone who contributed. I would hope that people who are experimenting with summer/fall repotting keep us updated, I certainly will if I try it.
Cable
Omono
Walter is an amazing bonsai artist and a hort genius as far as I'm concerned but he does sometimes get upset easy. I mean, he got mad at BVF earlier in this thread and BVF is pretty much nice to everyone.
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
I would not be afraid to do summer repots with temps like that. Hell, thats Hawaii temps. Walter may have temps like that too.
I just think it's kind of irresponsible to profess repotting for people that have no idea about their weather and aftercare. It's like some of the crap Ryan talks about being in North Oregon. You can't do here what he talks about. It's up to each person doing bonsai to be ultra aware of their surroundings and the horticulture needs of the plants you work with. Mostly why I only work with a handful. Six tops. I know exactly what they will do and when.
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Does it really matter...I mean this place has never really been a gallery of finely crafted bonsai.....
Post up your best bonsai so we can see what you learned from Walter???
Anyone have anything to share that they have learned and built from the teachings of this forum?
There has not been a shortage of good information here, yet I never see any good progressions much. Let me rephrase that, there are some good progressions of trees on here, but they have yet to reach a point to be considered bonsai. Putting it in a bonsai pot is not the magic answer. I can consider a good bonsai still in a wooden box, bonsai, when it looks like one.
Cable
Omono
Good point, thank you.
I’ve learned a lot but haven’t had enough time for the application to produce a bonsai. I learned from you to look for the smallest tree, I learned from Walter about his hedge pruning method and gotten inspiration from his designs, I learned a lot about bonsai soil, I’ve learned what I like in bonsai trees is wrong, I’ve gotten better at winter storage, and I’m sure other things that have escaped me.
I’ll never be as good as some of you at this but I can still enjoy metaphorically playing putt-putt while learning from the pro golfers.
TN_Jim
Omono
With all due respect, because I really appreciate what is being broken down here, and the efforts to further these concepts with even more clarity, but I take issue with the use of the word wood.
I get it, but for the sake of further clarity I believe you are referring only to living (new or otherwise) vascular tissue (xylem/phloem). True wood is only secondary xylem which is no longer living or capable of transporting water, hormones, nutrients etc.
Saddler
Chumono
Whoa there, hold your horses. Walter has never professed that anyone should do anything. He has been very careful with stating the caveats on his work. You on the other hand, not so much. 'Cut back your maples once a week until July or you will take forever to make a quality tree' with no caveats as far as I have seen on that topic. Walter chooses his words carefully, Smoke, you don’t! So calling someone irresponsible when they spell out the situation when a technique is used in detail and you telling people how they should be treating their trees with a complete disregard for their situation is completely hypocritical, but hey, that is kind of your namesake eh Smoke and mirrors?
Saddler
Chumono
@Smoke maybe you should ask @Walter Pall to show you the trees he has made. You know, get him to show you if his techniques actually work instead of just talking about them like he always does. I doubt he has a wizard hat to compare to any of yours. If only he had almost as many pictures as words.....
Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
The personification of nitpicking. Boo Hiss Please prove your bona fides by offering something constructive.
Let me just tell you people, summer repotting is also done in japan!
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What kind of trees and the frequency of either spring or summer varies more according the geographic location. Japan is long from north to south as is us. Not every location treats trees all the same.
Up in the north, repotting in spring could be challenging because of the possible cold spells that can come, there is no fear of this in summer so repots or sometimes preferred to do in summer. In the south there is no such fear of cold spells however a really hot summer ain’t to great either so spring is often preferred.
.What kind of trees and the frequency of either spring or summer varies more according the geographic location. Japan is long from north to south as is us. Not every location treats trees all the same.
Up in the north, repotting in spring could be challenging because of the possible cold spells that can come, there is no fear of this in summer so repots or sometimes preferred to do in summer. In the south there is no such fear of cold spells however a really hot summer ain’t to great either so spring is often preferred.
TN_Jim
Omono
wood’s dead homie...wood’s dead
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
You're barerooting junipers? Do tell...;-) That's pretty aggressive.
As far as barerooting deciduous, I do that every time I repot one. Standard practice for most folks that I know that have been doing this for a while. Late spring repots of maples while they're in leaf too.
Also standard in repotting deciduous trees is simply sawing off the bottom third to half of the rootmass before doing any root work.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
nope. Hasn't been ANY from what I've seen. What I have seen is people rushing to defend their hero, who has basically refused to interact with anyone constructively when asked honest questions about the how's and why's of what he's posted.
And FWIW, if you profess to be a "leader" in a chosen field, you have to anticipate getting asked questions, sometimes uncomfortable questions. Goes with the territory...
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
"Vitriol", sounds like some shit you hope your kids don't get hooked on.
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Your temperatures only matter if you are allowing them to stop your root growth.
Sorce
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Your temperatures only matter if you are allowing them to stop your root growth.
Sorce
Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
Our spring was long and cold and wet and a good example of a "false spring" that we have occasionally and we lose landscape trees, too, in these kinds of years where the weather warms in early spring then turns cold just as the buds are ready to open. Some trees make it through winter looking good and just never wake up. Spring repotting depends on the weather being moderate just as much in June or August, or maybe any other time. At least you can water to make up for too much heat. Artificial heating in a cold spring is more difficult...Let me just tell you people, summer repotting is also done in japan!
What kind of trees and the frequency of either spring or summer varies more according the geographic location. Japan is long from north to south as is us. Not every location treats trees all the same.
Up in the north, repotting in spring could be challenging because of the possible cold spells that can come, there is no fear of this in summer so repots or sometimes preferred to do in summer. In the south there is no such fear of cold spells however a really hot summer ain’t to great either so spring is often preferred.
