cmeg1
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THIS WINTERS CROP GETTING ON ITS WAY.
Here are the Zelkova……so far so good.
Extended season starting trees indoors
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THIS WINTERS CROP GETTING ON ITS WAY.
Here are the Zelkova……so far so good.
kale
Shohin
Are you going to do japanese maple?
misfit11
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Do your neighbors think you grow weed?
cmeg1
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Would be fun………Very delicate and seem to not enjoy co2 that much…….can be done though.
cmeg1
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Probably!
I can walk into legal grounds from my home
Hopefully this year.
I would not mind growing some.
I worked as a cultivation tech at Trulieve a couple years ago.
Some of the biggest co2 fertilized buds I have ever seen.
Although a fun job…..( I do not do marijuana currently)
All I thought of was how Japanese horticulture practice would cut Trulives electricity bill by probably 50%
By using ringbarking techniques,slower more vigorous growth and lots more bud sites.
They were growing about 10 to 12 colas per plant ,the long bud shoot ……using ring barking I was envisioning plants with 40 colas!
half the space ,half the electricity, half the employees, but it is all profit to these big growers. It is usually soil or potting soil and the quickest eight week operation you’ve ever seen happen ever.
The indoor ones with the CO2 are definitely the funnest, but but outdoor growing will certainly be nice when it finally goes legal around here I will probably be employed at least part time at one of these outdoor grows.
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cmeg1
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SOME OF THE TALL SINGULAR BROOM FORM!
These are such a challenge to grow in quantity.From a flat of 72 in the shade by a window I have 12??
Would be great for a crop if I can find a way to stretch the bole section of the trunks more reliably.
Some of the finest pleasing forms are these tall ones…..
Picture a trunk like this with a canopy like the last photo!
These are such a challenge to grow in quantity.From a flat of 72 in the shade by a window I have 12??
Would be great for a crop if I can find a way to stretch the bole section of the trunks more reliably.
Some of the finest pleasing forms are these tall ones…..
Picture a trunk like this with a canopy like the last photo!
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cmeg1
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UPDATE!!
With more roots come more vigorous plants.
These are starting to get more stable and settled with the extra nutrient uptake of having more roots.
The nitrogen is very limited…..total ec between .5-.6 with the the majority of the nutrient being non nitrogen bio stimulants……extra vitamin B magnesium sulphate,and then the fulvic and kelp and amino acids……without the vitamin B magnesium the ec would total out at .4-.5 ec!!
This is keeping growth compact and also keeping deficiency away so far……they will root and gain strength….growing quite slowly.
This is actually quite important with this method……if they are fast grown…everything is simply too fast to keep up with the pinching and stopping of meristem growth.
The kelp applications are now @ 3 since germination and this will definately helo with backbudding and halting of meristem growth for a very invigorating photosynthetic stage of growth where mainly trunk thickening is achieved,but keeping a quite small statured easy to keep plant in the grow.
They are fine like this before their first round of leaf and stem maintanance……having quite enough light even in their slightly bushy growth next to each other.
I will fill the whole growhouse with these as you can see in the last pictures.Un-even start phases with these is not too much an issue( having various stages of progress)….as long as not too pronounced and varied ….then watering requirements will till be quite similiar and health and vigor maintained.
The holes need to be left wide open in the mini-blocks when planting these or they simply will not sprout through…..they all sprout at around 80-90% when planting visibly germinating seed just placed into the little hole.
Co2 fertilization is being applied at around 900 ppm……..more than enough for now and the environment is stable and condusive to co2 fertilization.
Here are pics……so far so good.Will be fun ring-barking these in the Spring.
****THESE WILL ALL BE RINGBARKED IN SPRING FOR SMALL KABUDACHI STARTERS REPRESENTED IN THE LAST 2 PICTURES****
With more roots come more vigorous plants.
These are starting to get more stable and settled with the extra nutrient uptake of having more roots.
The nitrogen is very limited…..total ec between .5-.6 with the the majority of the nutrient being non nitrogen bio stimulants……extra vitamin B magnesium sulphate,and then the fulvic and kelp and amino acids……without the vitamin B magnesium the ec would total out at .4-.5 ec!!
This is keeping growth compact and also keeping deficiency away so far……they will root and gain strength….growing quite slowly.
This is actually quite important with this method……if they are fast grown…everything is simply too fast to keep up with the pinching and stopping of meristem growth.
The kelp applications are now @ 3 since germination and this will definately helo with backbudding and halting of meristem growth for a very invigorating photosynthetic stage of growth where mainly trunk thickening is achieved,but keeping a quite small statured easy to keep plant in the grow.
They are fine like this before their first round of leaf and stem maintanance……having quite enough light even in their slightly bushy growth next to each other.
I will fill the whole growhouse with these as you can see in the last pictures.Un-even start phases with these is not too much an issue( having various stages of progress)….as long as not too pronounced and varied ….then watering requirements will till be quite similiar and health and vigor maintained.
The holes need to be left wide open in the mini-blocks when planting these or they simply will not sprout through…..they all sprout at around 80-90% when planting visibly germinating seed just placed into the little hole.
Co2 fertilization is being applied at around 900 ppm……..more than enough for now and the environment is stable and condusive to co2 fertilization.
Here are pics……so far so good.Will be fun ring-barking these in the Spring.
****THESE WILL ALL BE RINGBARKED IN SPRING FOR SMALL KABUDACHI STARTERS REPRESENTED IN THE LAST 2 PICTURES****
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cmeg1
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ORGANIZING THE GROWHOUSE
I put bigger ones under more light to save room for the sensitive germinating seed.
Going to keep filling it full ….even the empty mini-blocks so I have a bunch to ringbark all throughout the year!!!
THESE STARTED GERMINATING ON DECEMBER 13th!!!
6 weeks!!
I put bigger ones under more light to save room for the sensitive germinating seed.
Going to keep filling it full ….even the empty mini-blocks so I have a bunch to ringbark all throughout the year!!!
THESE STARTED GERMINATING ON DECEMBER 13th!!!
6 weeks!!
cmeg1
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HERE THEY ARE THIS EVENING!!
Turning into a very nice crop.The flats I just planted are sprouting very high percentage.I have learned in practice that when sprouting seeds definately use a very light EC of around .3-.5
Any more and germination is interupted and there is less in the flat after a few weeks.They are choked off by the extra salts.
Here are the tall ones too.Wishing I had a few hundred of them,but they are very low rate of production……like 20% are acceptably lengthened when sprouted in the shade.
Maybe I can try again after this crop is outside and start some in the growhouse in march ….in nearly total darkness or something…….non co2,just old school,but with nice long bole sections to them…..anything 6” or more and they become quite interesting.
Some of these are over 6” while the majority are 6”……
The kabudachi starters( virtually the entire crop) are growing nice and slow.This is good….before their first training.Backbudding is occuring even at the leafless nodes!
They will gain good strength not having to assimilate any extra nitrogen.They are at about .5 ec with the nitrogen % very low of total…..most of the # is from the added Vitamin B Magnesium….will help with color and iron in the leaves and photosynthesis.
Hey if you have the time..use it!
Slow starters will always be much more productive and healthy plants……by leaps and bounds.
Turning into a very nice crop.The flats I just planted are sprouting very high percentage.I have learned in practice that when sprouting seeds definately use a very light EC of around .3-.5
Any more and germination is interupted and there is less in the flat after a few weeks.They are choked off by the extra salts.
Here are the tall ones too.Wishing I had a few hundred of them,but they are very low rate of production……like 20% are acceptably lengthened when sprouted in the shade.
Maybe I can try again after this crop is outside and start some in the growhouse in march ….in nearly total darkness or something…….non co2,just old school,but with nice long bole sections to them…..anything 6” or more and they become quite interesting.
Some of these are over 6” while the majority are 6”……
The kabudachi starters( virtually the entire crop) are growing nice and slow.This is good….before their first training.Backbudding is occuring even at the leafless nodes!
They will gain good strength not having to assimilate any extra nitrogen.They are at about .5 ec with the nitrogen % very low of total…..most of the # is from the added Vitamin B Magnesium….will help with color and iron in the leaves and photosynthesis.
Hey if you have the time..use it!
Slow starters will always be much more productive and healthy plants……by leaps and bounds.
pandacular
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Lately, whenever I bring my JBP to study groups, I always put one of Curtis's next to a normal seedling grown outdoors/in greenhouse. I'll tell people that the trees are the same age, and it often takes sharing photos (and one time receipts!) to prove it.
cmeg1
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Thanks….It can be very pronounced…
Here is my comparison pictures..
SAME AGE…1 with dutch hydroponics
1 without dutch hydroponics
Grown by me!
1st year attempt indoors is bottom and the 2nd year attempt indoors after applying the practice of dutch hydroponics……..both are grown in same medium and in 1pint rootpouches.
cmeg1
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Thanks its very fun,eapecially when all is going as planned.What a great feeling it must be to create all this new growth!!!
TOTAL CROP IS ZELKOVA THIS SEASON……..I JUST HAD TO GIVE THIS A GO FOR IT!!
Also my JBP SEED did not sprout up to par as usual……perhaps do half and half crops or even 1/3 each of the kabudachi/tall broom forms/ and pine seedling cuttings in the future.
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