Discuss “The Hidden Life of Trees”

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I am midway through reading Wohlleben’s The Hidden Life of Trees and I am finding its contents absolutely fascinating.

That being said, though I have not made my career of it I do possess a degree in Zoology with a minor in Wildlife Biology (from what feels like another life) and many of the claims, though coming along with some measure of citation and backing via scientific study, strike me as more anecdotal observations of the author than researched scientific fact. Granted, many of the theories posited would be difficult to prove or disprove given the timescale and difficulty of studying trees and their nature in a controlled or laboratory environment.

All that being said, the role of intertwined root networks and symbiotic relations with fungi serving as a community and even forest-wide information sharing system is utterly intriguing and highlights that there is so much we don’t and cannot know about trees given how different we are as beings.

Some of the theories are even a little disturbing when overlayed onto the practice of Bonsai, most notably restricting what could be as social a creature as Wohlleben posits into a life of isolation, restriction, and even “pain”-inducing alteration.

As I make my way through the rest of the volume I wanted to stimulate some discussion here about the book and folks’ thoughts on its place in our understanding of these majestic organisms. It is mentioned in passing here and there on this site but I wanted to give discussion dedicated to it a home and hopefully come back to some of your insights after I’ve put it down.
 
I am right there with him having read his book when it came out and several other books that pre-date it. I was a student of Stephen Buhner (RIP) and my studies go clear back to The Secret Life of Plants back in the 70s. But I can tell you that you wont get much agreement or sympathy on this site. I will also share that when I owned a landscape business, I earned the name "Dances with Trees" because of my behavior around them that some people thought was peculiar and others found downright disturbing. Ever known as the devils advocate, I don't know if I will interject any more into this thread.............but I will be watching.
 
I am right there with him having read his book when it came out and several other books that pre-date it. I was a student of Stephen Buhner (RIP) and my studies go clear back to The Secret Life of Plants back in the 70s. But I can tell you that you wont get much agreement or sympathy on this site. I will also share that when I owned a landscape business, I earned the name "Dances with Trees" because of my behavior around them that some people thought was peculiar and others found downright disturbing. Ever known as the devils advocate, I don't know if I will interject any more into this thread.............but I will be watching.

I’ve no doubt there will be some challenges to the assertions in THLOT, in fact I am hopeful to see them as I’m interested in general in folks’ reaction to it.

My condolences on the recent passing of your teacher, he looks to have been an eminently interesting man. I just read his obituary and the short autobiography it linked to.
 
My condolences on the recent passing of your teacher, he looks to have been an eminently interesting man. I just read his obituary and the short autobiography it linked to.
You could not know him and not love him. Its just the way he was put together.
 
the role of intertwined root networks and symbiotic relations with fungi serving as a community and even forest-wide information sharing system is utterly intriguing and highlights that there is so much we don’t and cannot know about trees given how different we are as beings.
I think I posted a review study once, somewhere on this forum, that looked at how many actual research has been done in this field. Pardon my poor memory, but I think the review study showed that there are about 4-6 very outdated studies on these relationships, that have been quoted so many times that they've become their own truths, whereas more than 10 studies proved to find no such relationships when repeated. But those multitude of studies that didn't find a similar relationship are usually ignored because they don't paint as pretty of a picture.
So some grains of salt should be taken when reading stuff like this. Nature is amazing and does things we sure find difficult to understand, but competition for resources and chemical warfare is not just a human thing.
I'm using fungi to combat things like needle cast, and it seems to be working splendidly. And I often wonder how intelligent an organism like Pando could be, because quite frankly, it's hard to not think that an organism of such size and with such a large network of connected parts wouldn't have a way of internal communication.
 
I got the illustrated edition of THLOT. It's tree porn, forest porn. I purchased it after reading The Understory by Richard Powers. Powers weaves tree science into his tale. Trigger warning: ecoterrorism and suicide.
So some grains of salt should be taken when reading stuff like this. Nature is amazing and does things we sure find difficult to understand, but competition for resources and chemical warfare is not just a human thing.
I appreciate your input of this, Guy. It's easy to be swept up in the romantic ideas around trees.
 
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