Broken branches and white glue.

[leatherback]

And a broken branch, means it wasn't meant to be. Allow it.

That is what I normally do. No glue. Just allow nature do its thing.If it dies, taper created.

 

[Forsoothe!]

Uniting the two sides of a break is only half of the equation. If your glue gets inbetween upstream live cells and downstream live cells of the break and blocks the flow of sap, that will interfere with the the blocked pathways and those blocked cells will die. It's at least theoretically better to put the broken cells back into close association and let the tree repair itself the normal way: lignifying some parts while some parts are restored. There should be no glue inside the wound.

 

[AaronThomas]

When in doubt. Nature don't use glue. And a broken branch, means it wasn't meant to be. Allow it.

Seriously?

So if a leader or branch happens to break on one of your trees you don’t even try to fix it? That is nature telling you “nope!”?
not sure I’m buying it....

Isn’t bonsai a little bit of giving nature the finger to begin with?

Just a thought at 6:37 am.

ps
Nature doesn’t use wire or cut paste either.

 

[sorce]

nope

In the grand scheme of things, if we are taking good care of our trees, it is possible that they will shoot another, better, faster shoot with which you can work.

Fixing a branch isn't "allowing" that, it's "confusing" auxin. Which for me, is worse for the tree in the grand scheme. Grande!

I think also, for me, It's always a matter of effort out, for return gained.

In the amount of time it takes one to mess around with that branch, which includes a percentage of the time it now takes the tree to heal, I think we can find an entirely different tree to be a better version of the one we were trying to fix.

Even though it's very unlikely to actually happen, it's that math that allows the patience, to just wait for the next shoot.

We want these trees to look old, I haven't found a replacement for actual age.

I guess everyone has their own numbers to fill in these equations. I like to think my numbers are the most stress free. So I offer them.

I think, if folks don't have the math to wait, the cure is more trees further along in development. Not wasting time "fixing" something that has a 90% chance of looking cooler just because it's another 3 years older, overall, thought part is younger.

Sorce

 

[AaronThomas]

@sorce
I understand completely what you were saying… Yes Patience is a virtue with bonsai and 100% agree with that statement.
However in the example tree I posted… The wind had snapped a leader in which a 45° cut had already been made. Had I let the leader die I would have lost an entire season. In order not to waste time I repaired the leader and it survived. I understand perhaps letting a branch go but I do not see that making a repair that could possibly save time And a season worth of work being eager or acting as impatient.

 

[AaronThomas]

Bottom line… I think this is a perfect example of how each and every person has their own way of going about doing things.

 

[Joe Dupre']

Uniting the two sides of a break is only half of the equation. If your glue gets inbetween upstream live cells and downstream live cells of the break and blocks the flow of sap, that will interfere with the the blocked pathways and those blocked cells will die. It's at least theoretically better to put the broken cells back into close association and let the tree repair itself the normal way: lignifying some parts while some parts are restored. There should be no glue inside the wound.

I agree. What I do is immediately put the branch back in it's original position.....or maybe over bend it a bit...... and wrap very tightly with black electrical tape or ??? I treat it like an unplanned graft. In five years of bonsai, I've had over 90% success rate with this procedure.

 

[Pitoon]

Too runny and thin.

Superglue gel

 

[AaronThomas]

Superglue gel

Bhahahahah.... That seems to be the consensus.

 

[Mike Corazzi]

At least once of year… I end up having a broken branch that needs repair. This year there happen to be a huge windstorm that snapped a leader of one of my Montezuma cypress. If the brake is bad enough I usually wire and put a dab of gorilla glue over the wound. It seems to give a bit more rigidity than just throwing cut paste on it. Over the years I’ve only had to do this about a few times. I have noticed that on each branch that I have used white glue on a rather ugly bulbous scar appears. Wondering if that has anything to do with the use of the glue or is it just the amount of damage to the branch. The trees I did not use glue healed nearly seamlessly.

GORILLA GLUE !!!!


Dries fast. Can be carved, sanded and/or painted. Flexible bond. Good shit.

 

[leatherback]

Just chop it off. Regrow. It will be stronger and you get taper.

 

[Arizona bonsai]

There is an activator that sets thin super glue in a few seconds, I use it in wood lathe turning to fix cracks in the wood.

 

[sorce]

Dries fast. Can be carved, sanded and/or painted. Flexible bond. Good shit.

Holds mini windmills to benches!

I'm still a fan of the G02 glue from locktite.

Sorce

 

[AaronThomas]

There is an activator that sets thin super glue in a few seconds,

Great stuff! Use it for skeleton articulations.

 

[just.wing.it]

I've used regular wood glue with fine results on Bougainvillea.

 

[fredman]

immediately put the branch back in it's original position.....or maybe over bend it a bit...... and wrap very tightly with black electrical tape or ???

Best method I think. I'm getting myself some grafting tape...and i'll put wire over it

 

[Joe Dupre']

Fredman, I figure the two parts of the break match almost exactly, so putting them back and keeping them there is all you need.

 

[TN_Jim]

 

[AaronThomas]

@TN_Jim

Sums it up nicely!

 

[TN_Jim]

@TN_Jim

Sums it up nicely!

Joe and Fred were at the break match
Good things