Bought these mumes that I plan to use for cuttings

Those look like leaf buds. On my mumes there’s 3 buds (middle bud is leaf and side buds are flowers) or sometimes 2 buds (1 leaf, 1 flower). I could be wrong though. I swear on my kobai there’s a couple spots with only 1 bud and its just a flower bud (perhaps the swollen flower bud makes it hard to see the leaf bud🤔).


This is something I’m worried about, but I hear leaves emerges independently of flower buds
Can you share a few close ups of the leaf bud vs the flower bud?
thanks
 
I tried getting more shots but its hard to get this camera to focus

With the peggy clarke u can see some leaf buds with a flower bud next to it. But then there’s areas with just flower
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With the kobai its just flower buds
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However with my rosemary clarke its consistent with leaf and flower bud
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Wow perfect looks like I have no flower buds. Maybe next year thank you so much for the comparison pics as now I see.
Michael
 
A little update… the flower buds have slowly but steadily continue to swell. The kobai looks like it will bloom within a week or so, but weather man say we’ll be getting snow tonight so maybe 2 weeks or so? The peggy clarke is not too far behind and the rosemary is moving a lot slower (not that I care though).

Kobai
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Peggy Clarke
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Rosemary
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Bad news, looks like the Kobai won’t have pretty flowers this year🙁. I’m guessing the really cold air and wind last week took a toll
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Well all hope isn’t lost. There’s some flowers that look viable (mostly on the upper portion of the tree).
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The peggy clarke however is looking good…. Hopefully it stays that way🤞
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I lost pretty much all my flower buds as well this year with the last stormed that passed.
 
This week felt like spring and the the kobai is eager to flower. Though, I wish it would be more patient
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Unfortunately, we're expecting winter weather to return tomorrow and monday and tuesday will be extra cold with monday staying below freezing. Hopefully, everything works out, but I'm not gonna get my hopes high.

The peggy clarke however is being a good girl and waiting patiently for more consistency.
 
Last week my kobai opened a few flowers though they look rough
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This week however the 2 flowers that open looked like what you see online
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Also the peggy clarke partly opened a flower.
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There’s no frost forecasted for next week so I’m expecting a full show soon (hopefully).
 
That kobai is beautiful! I've been looking for mume and having a hard time finding them, even online. I'm in queens and wondering where you guys got your mume from? Especially looking for bright pink/red specimens like to kobai.
 
That kobai is beautiful! I've been looking for mume and having a hard time finding them, even online. I'm in queens and wondering where you guys got your mume from? Especially looking for bright pink/red specimens like to kobai.
I got my kobai and peggy clarke from forestfarm. Unfortunately, they don’t have anymore. Maybe you can call them and see when’s the next restock. Funny thing is I found them because I was bored one night and started randomly searching things that interest me. My rosemary clarke came from Brent at Evergreen garden works. Sadly, he doesn’t have any and won’t be propagating this year
 
I got my kobai and peggy clarke from forestfarm. Unfortunately, they don’t have anymore. Maybe you can call them and see when’s the next restock. Funny thing is I found them because I was bored one night and started randomly searching things that interest me. My rosemary clarke came from Brent at Evergreen garden works. Sadly, he doesn’t have any and won’t be propagating this year
Thanks for the info, at least I have a site I can check up on occasionally. I guess for now I'll just try to get seeds from ebay.
 
Small update:

Bad news
The rosemary clarke died. Not sure how but it did. Like last year it looked fine, nice and green. And I knew for a fact it was healthy when it entered dormancy. Also it stayed that nice healthy green during dormancy. As spring came in we had a cold spell so I brought it inside for a few days (still green and flower buds looking ready to pop). Afterwards I put it back outside and it stayed green for like a week and I noticed one branch was turning brown. Chopped it. Month later whole tree dead😒. I let it sit in its pot until recently. I just wanted to inspect it’s roots

Looks fine to me. What you guys think?
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None of my other mumes had any die back whatsoever. In fact I had another mume sitting right next to this one. Whatever I’m over it

Good news
All my other mumes are thriving and back budding all over (sorry didn’t take pictures)!!! The peggy clarke had a shoot coming from below the scion that has a very familiar looking leaf shape. I contacted the nursery that I got them from and it turns out all their mume cultivars are grafted on generic mumes or standard mumes (or whatever you wanna call them). I’m thinking of air-layering the shoot. Generic mumes layer well, right?
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Lastly, last night my peggy clarke surprised me with 3 small apricots growing on it. I never had a japanese apricot (at least I don’t think so). I hope fruit taste as good as the flowers smell.
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Also, any tips on germinating mume seeds?
 
I been meaning to post this update, but work has kept me busy all summer. Anyways, back in June, I added 2 more mume cultivars to the group (‘Rosemary Clarke’ and ‘Hokkai Bungo’)

Rosemary Clarke
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Hokkai bungo
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It goes without saying they’re much smaller than the other 2 and I know for certain the rootstock on the rosemary clarke is a mume and from the looks of the rootstock on the hokkai bungo it probably isn’t mume neither.
 
@Bonds Guy - in your 5/22 post, you said you brought your Rosemary Clark indoors for a week, then put it back outdoors, then it died. According MSU just 48 to 72 hours at 70 F can undo winter hardiness. If after the time indoors the Rosemary Clark experienced a frost or a freeze, that is likely what killed it.

The MSU data was from fruit trees, apples, peaches, cherries and blueberries, important crops in Michigan. About a decade ago, there was a 5 day warm spell in late January, with back to back daytime highs in the low 70's, then a return to "normal" January and February weather. There was a near total crop loss of cherries, and peaches, and a serious reduction in apples and blueberries that summer because flower buds were winter killed by the cold following the warm spell. This was the southwest region of Michigan, where at the time I was a partner in a blueberry farm. I was attending ag extension meetings for the area, and saw the data from just a couple years before I "bought the farm". Oh, I have since "sold the farm", after a mere 5 years I decided to retire again.

Cold hardiness takes 2 to 3 months of steadily decreasing night temperatures for a tree to make the metabolic adjustments required for cold tolerance. This includes decreasing moisture content of cells, raising sugar content of cells, and many other changes. Certain hormones are developed to prevent growth from beginning. Then through the winter these hormones keep the tree dormant. Warm spells in autumn, will not trigger the trees into growing, because these hormones keep the trees dormant. But as the winter progresses, these hormones break down. Late winter, there are no longer hormonal controls preventing growth. This is what is meant when a tree has had its "vernalization", or "winter chill requirement" satisfied. Once the 8 or 12 week requirement is satisfied, any warm spell and the tree will loose its cold weather adaptations, and begin growing. Then a frost happening after this warm spell can be fatal.

Most native to North America species, have longer winter chill requirements than species from Japan or China. The result is, the non-natives will get "tricked" by our late winter thaws into loosing cold tolerance a bit early, while our native trees will sit dormant and not notice brief warm spells.

or in this case, your bringing the tree indoors served to "trick the tree" into thinking winter was over. Then you put it back outside, and the frost or freeze killed it. In the future, bring trees in from the cold only for the hour or two it takes to enjoy them and take pictures, then get them outdoors before night fall. Or if you bring them in to force early bloom, they must go into an above freezing greenhouse until danger of frost has passed. This point is not obvious, even seasoned bonsai growers have made this mistake.

In Milwaukee, there is always a "Winter Silhouette Show", in late January or early February, it used to be at the Mitchell Domes before they closed for reconstruction. There was one grower who brought in a beautiful tree, it spent the 72 hours in the Domes, then they put it back outside in a typical Wisconsin February. The normally hardy tree died. The chairman had assumed the person who owned the tree was going to put it in their frost free greenhouse, but they didn't think about the loss of winter hardiness, so they didn't use the greenhouse, even though it was right there. At least in recent years, the organizers of winter silhouette shows have been warning exhibitors to greenhouse their trees after the show. That they won't be fully hardy after the show. But every time there is an election for new board members, there is always the danger this little piece of "institutional memory" gets forgotten.
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Hey Bnuts thought I’d update this thread. So I’m still alive however I wish I could say the same for my mumes😭. Well actually and surprisingly 1 is still alive (hokkai bungo). In short the trees that died, died due to neglect. I was absent for sometime and they were in the care of family (terrible idea). I do blame myself though because in hindsight I could’ve better prepared my family and trees but what’s done is done. Live and learn.

Good news is I was able to acquire 2 other mumes, another peggy clarke (left) and Omoi-no-mama (small guy).

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The omoi-no-mama I got from Brent @ evergreen gardenworks and for that reason I wanted to revisit cause of death for my pink trumpet and original rosemary Clarke. What I been thinking is could it be probable that mumes on their on roots are more susceptible to root dieback? I say this because with my grafted mumes, none of them had random death after winter
 
For what it's worth, I've had mume's on their own roots die spontaneously. The mume that are grafted always come back year after year.

There's nothing wrong with grafted mume. As long as the graft is low and done correctly it will blend in seamlessly as the tree grows.
 
graft is low

or high, or anywhere in bewtween, as long as it’s done well

What I been thinking is could it be probable that mumes on their on roots are more susceptible to root dieback?

As opposed to what? If your specimen is grafted, it’s likely grafted onto ‘ume on its own roots’. Your statement needs some refinement. As stated, the answer to your question is: no, or else the species would cease to exist
 
or high, or anywhere in bewtween, as long as it’s done well
If a scion is grafted onto rootstock, and that scion is intended to be grown as the actual trunk of the tree it should be grafted low....period.

If your specimen is grafted, it’s likely grafted onto ‘ume on its own roots’.
That may be the case in Japan, but I'm fairly confident to say that's not the case here in the US. Mume here are grafted onto compatible Prunus species.
 
As opposed to what? If your specimen is grafted, it’s likely grafted onto ‘ume on its own roots’. Your statement needs some refinement. As stated, the answer to your question is: no, or else the species would cease to exist
From what I’ve heard, japan winters are a lot different from NY winters so there’s that. Also, I guess the cultivars are weaker than the generic ones (by generic I mean those that are naturally grown in the wild) because as I’ve been told most ume don’t layer well but the generic ume layer just fine.

And to touch on what @Pitoon said, the grafted ume in the US aren’t grafted on to generic ume. The low shoots on the mumes in the grow bags are the rootstock shoots and I’m fairly confident they’re not ume
 
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