Are you a Parrot?

[markyscott]

To borrow a bit from the world of Oil Painting.

"When someone shows a "finished effort" they don't want critiques,
just Praise."
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You gotta love the world of Fine Art for all that ----- experience.

Good Day
Anthony

Bullocks! It’s clear you haven’t been around too many painters. My wife is a painter. She has a studio downtown, has had more openings and gallery showings than I can remember. She had one last week. I’ve been to dozens and dozens of them as well as tons of social events she’s had in her studio. What do you think she and the other artists talk about? They critique each other’s work - and it’s not faint praise either. A lot of it is pretty hard-hitting - far more so than anything I’ve seen on this site.

 

[Anthony]

Scott,

ask her if she knows the work of Ives Gammell, Richard Lack,
Paul De Lorenzo or seen the work at the Gandy Gallery,
Or Michael Angel or Graydon Parrish.
Ask her if she knows the work of the Gammellites, or Annigoni,
or Simi.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Adair M]

Don't bother Anthony.
Them Boon boys get to start with excellent material. They're not digging through nurseries or working with too many native plants either.
They just buy their bonsai.
Clip a little here,wire a little there and Viola! Badass 100 year old plus tree ready to show.
You and K build them from sctatch. Something they know nothing of.
2 very different approaches.

Uh, Mike, your isolation up there in Michigan is causing you to make false assumptions just as Anthony does. Am I correct with my notion that pretty much the only bonsai you have ever seen, other than your own, have been at Vance’s Club Show?

As for Boon starting material, the first thing you see when you go to Boon’s garden is his raised beds where he is growing out pines, Junipers, chojubai, quince and all manners of different trees.

Long before I started posting here, another Boon student, Eric Schroeder, created a thread here entitled “some pine seeds, 6 years later”. I encourage you, and anyone doing the JBP seed growing contest to read it.

There are many ways to practice bonsai. I, personally, don’t care to grow from seed, just not my thing. There is one lady in Boon’s club, Barbara, who has trees she started when she was 10 years old. She is in her mid 90’s now! She has had those trees over 80 years! Much respect! She also starts seeds every year! Even at 90 years old!

So your assumptions of what Boon does and what he teaches and how his students practice bonsai are just figments of your imagination. You don’t know. And what is worse is you think you do.

Your impression of how Boon operates come primarily from my writings here. So you get to see how and what he teaches me. Thru my eyes. I have preferences for pines, so that’s what I work on mostly. He doesn’t force me to work on, say, hinoki cypress if I don’t want to. Or tropicals. He has a greenhouse full of tropicals! I’ll step in there, and look, and they’re good tropicals, but I can just tell him “no thanks”, and we ignore them.

Maybe I totally misunderstood the point of this thread! Mike your comments about Boon students is totally false, and you are “parroting” false news.

Perhaps Smoke had a point after all.

 

[Mellow Mullet]

Gogeerah,

I will share this, which was going to Martin @thumblessprimate1 ,
An observation.

2 Celtis l. both have been imaged in Martin's Hackberry topic.

We chose to not repot the mother and to repot the larger hackberry.
Observation -

[1] If you bare root or just cut around for repotting. You slow down the
tree. The bare rooting is for x months.
The repotting is for 2 or 3 months.





This year was unusual a month and a half of 65
to 69 [ Beast from the East - Russia ]

Killed -Large Serrisa s, Fukien teas, and a favourite
Russian Olive -------- sub-tropicals.
The locals apparently are immune to this effect
Odd, isn't it?
Checking to see how many years apart this happens,
The Russian Effect.
Good Day
Anthony

I have seen you mention this before, I find it hard to believe that 65 - 69 degree weather killed serissa. The actually grow very well during the time that I get those temps, and bloom the most. Are you sure it wasn't something else?

I don't know what "x" months means in the above example but I have never known bare rooting to slow down deciduous trees. In fact them seem to put out the most growth after being bare rooted.

John

 

[Anthony]

Hey Sifu,

any images of Ms.Barbara's trees ?
Would love to see an old seed.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[markyscott]

...ask her if she knows the work of...

Hmmm. Ask my wife if she wants to trade barbs with some name-dropping nobody on the internet through me? Sounds tempting. But no.

 

[Anthony]

John,

not really sure. might have been the temperature range.
All we saw was trees fade and die.
No repotting or pruning or anything to interfere with
the trees.

Strangely enough, no one in shade or dappled light was
affected and the Fukien teas that were growing aggressively,
were unaffected.
Thanks for asking.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Anthony]

Expected better from someone I respect Scott.
Perhaps a duck.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[coh]

Don't bother Anthony.
Them Boon boys get to start with excellent material. They're not digging through nurseries or working with too many native plants either.
They just buy their bonsai.
Clip a little here,wire a little there and Viola! Badass 100 year old plus tree ready to show.
You and K build them from sctatch. Something they know nothing of.
2 very different approaches.

This is pathetic.

 

[Adair M]

Hey Sifu,

any images of Ms.Barbara's trees ?
Would love to see an old seed.
Good Day
Anthony

Boon posts them all the time on his Facebook page.

 

[Adair M]

Hmmm. Ask my wife if she wants to trade barbs with some name-dropping nobody on the internet through me? Sounds tempting. But no.

I think she would hit you over the head with an empty Shiner bottle!

 

[Anthony]

Thanks Sifu,

but I don't visit Fakebook.

I believe, I am done with this chat.
So see you in a new topic.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Adair M]

Thanks Sifu,

but I don't visit Fakebook.

I believe, I am done with this chat.
So see you in a new topic.
Good Day
Anthony

You don’t visit other bonsai gardens, either.

 

[River's Edge]

Don't bother Anthony.
Them Boon boys get to start with excellent material. They're not digging through nurseries or working with too many native plants either.
They just buy their bonsai.
Clip a little here,wire a little there and Viola! Badass 100 year old plus tree ready to show.
You and K build them from sctatch. Something they know nothing of.
2 very different approaches.

I work with Mountain Hemlock, Sub Alpine Fir, Yellow Alaskan Cedar, ( all native species) Grow JBP,JRP,Trident,Zelkova etc. From seed. And I appreciate being able to purchase excellent starting material and the opportunity to see and work with world class material at Boon's and in other professionals programs.
It is an advantage to be able to learn advanced techniques on material that it is possible to use them on.
Your assertion that Boon students only work on purchased select material is false. It is very evident that you cannot be taken seriously by any intelligent, clear thinking individual. So willing to defame and denigrate when you know nothing of the circumstances or the individuals involved.
It is fortunate that B Nut has many other members who do not display your attributes, and also fortunate that the Bonsai world does not reflect your values.
I am surprised that your are allowed to continue your personal attacks and tirades in this public forum.

 

[Adair M]

I work with Mountain Hemlock, Sub Alpine Fir, Yellow Alaskan Cedar, ( all native species) Grow JBP,JRP,Trident,Zelkova etc. From seed. And I appreciate being able to purchase excellent starting material and the opportunity to see and work with world class material at Boon's and in other professionals programs.
It is an advantage to be able to learn advanced techniques on material that it is possible to use them on.
Your assertion that Boon students only work on purchased select material is false. It is very evident that you cannot be taken seriously by any intelligent, clear thinking individual. So willing to defame and denigrate when you know nothing of the circumstances or the individuals involved.
It is fortunate that B Nut has many other members who do not display your attributes, and also fortunate that the Bonsai world does not reflect your values.
I am surprised that your are allowed to continue your personal attacks and tirades in this public forum.

If you were to visit Boon’s garden, I would suppose about half of the square footage is devoted to native collected trees in various stages of development, from “just collected”, to “
still in original box” growing roots and getting strong, to “getting root grafts”, to “beginning to get styled”, to “in oversized trading pot”, to “beginning refinement”, to “replace foliage with better foliage”, to “bonsai in development/training”, to “show ready” bonsai, to “National Exhibition Winner”.

There are 1000 trees there. No, I haven’t counted, it’s a swag. But I’d guess at least half are native species.

 

[wireme]

If you were to visit Boon’s garden, I would suppose about half of the square footage is devoted to native collected trees in various stages of development, from “just collected”, to “
still in original box” growing roots and getting strong, to “getting root grafts”, to “beginning to get styled”, to “in oversized trading pot”, to “beginning refinement”, to “replace foliage with better foliage”, to “bonsai in development/training”, to “show ready” bonsai, to “National Exhibition Winner”.

There are 1000 trees there. No, I haven’t counted, it’s a swag. But I’d guess at least half are native species.

I’m just curious and I know it depends but do you have any idea a typical timeframe from just collected to show ready in Boons garden? I know it’ll be a large variance there, maybe an example of both ends of the scale and an average?

 

[markyscott]

I’m just curious and I know it depends but do you have any idea a typical timeframe from just collected to show ready in Boons garden? I know it’ll be a large variance there, maybe an example of both ends of the scale and an average?

This tree was collected in 2010. I purchase it from Boon as raw stock in 2013. It will be shown in the National Show this September. Here’s the thread that I’ve been updating pretty much from the beginning.

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/pick-the-front-of-this-western-juniper.12335/page-6#post-528914

 

[wireme]

This tree was collected in 2010. I purchase it from Boon as raw stock in 2013. It will be shown in the National Show this September. Here’s the thread that I’ve been updating pretty much from the beginning.

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/pick-the-front-of-this-western-juniper.12335/page-6#post-528914

Thanks. From observing my own trees I have kind of given myself an expectation level of ten years from collection. Knowing that some may with luck be quicker and others could be twice that or more depending on everything. I find it’s useful when pondering whether or not to collect a tree to have some kind of timeline expectations anyways.

 

[M. Frary]

I am surprised that your are allowed to continue your personal attacks

Did I mention you?
Markyscott?
Adair?
Or whomever else took offense at my post?

. I encourage you, and anyone doing the JBP seed growing contest to read it.

Think about it.
Do JBP live in a zone 4 climate?

This is pathetic.

My idea of Sunday morning fun is poking at hornets nests.
Looks like I got one riled up first thing.


Good morning drones.

 

[Paulpash]

Why not spend the time doing something constructive, like seeing to your trees? Some people go out of their way to be negative to others just for shits n giggles. Sad times.