Are you a Parrot?

[Anthony]

@choppychoppy ,

feel free to critique as you see fit.

My - Good Day - has been with me since I have ever been
here. Not sure why it bothers you ?

As to passive aggressive ?

Why would I let Sifu tear through the Fustic and Japanese pine
efforts ?

As I have said before this is just the Internet, the images are flattened
and the designs are in 3d.
At least we use a camera, most use the telephone.
A bit more respect to the viewer, in fact we also use a backdrop.
Seen below.

Lingnan is a little different from wiring.
It requires the tree to first be healthy.
Additionally, our inspiration is drawn from nature.
You may have seen me asking for images of mature Brazil
Raintrees, because this how a design would be worked out.
At the risk of offending you.
Good Day
Anthony

This is how a tree is done down here.
First a drawn design then --------



then a cutting is grown into the shape -
Due to extreme cold and heat this year [ beast from the East ]
lost two back branches.

Probably at genetic limit for branchlets.

 

[Adair M]

@choppychoppy ,

feel free to critique as you see fit.

My - Good Day - has been with me since I have ever been
here. Not sure why it bothers you ?

As to passive aggressive ?

Why would I let Sifu tear through the Fustic and Japanese pine
efforts ?

As I have said before this is just the Internet, the images are flattened
and the designs are in 3d.
At least we use a camera, most use the telephone.
A bit more respect to the viewer, in fact we also use a backdrop.
Seen below.

Lingnan is a little different from wiring.
It requires the tree to first be healthy.
Additionally, our inspiration is drawn from nature.
You may have seen me asking for images of mature Brazil
Raintrees, because this how a design would be worked out.
At the risk of offending you.
Good Day
Anthony

This is how a tree is done down here.
First a drawn design then --------

View attachment 198952

then a cutting is grown into the shape -
Due to extreme cold and heat this year [ beast from the East ]
lost two back branches.

Probably at genetic limit for branchlets.

View attachment 198953

This last one is better than the first, Anthony, look at the taper in the branches. The taper is better. Not as good as it could/should be, but better.

Genetic limit to the branchlets? As is in what? There can’t be more? (I’m afraid you’re making one of those assumptions again.)

 

[Anthony]

Sadly Sifu,

the shrub is at it's limit. Also the feedback is that the Gmelina
lives only 50 years.
If so coming up on it's life limit.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[AlainK]

Cockatoo identified in 13th Century European book

 

[Adair M]

Sadly Sifu,

the shrub is at it's limit. Also the feedback is that the Gmelina
lives only 50 years.
If so coming up on it's life limit.
Good Day
Anthony

Size limit? Age limit?

If it has an age limit, why would you want to work with one? Part of the appeal to me with bonsai is bonsai can be passed down from one generation to another.

This JBP is nearly 100 years old!

 

[JudyB]

I don't believe that age limits are applicable in bonsai culture. We do things to make them longer lived in the pot than they are in nature.

 

[choppychoppy]

@choppychoppy ,

feel free to critique as you see fit.

My - Good Day - has been with me since I have ever been
here. Not sure why it bothers you ?

As to passive aggressive ?

Why would I let Sifu tear through the Fustic and Japanese pine
efforts ?

As I have said before this is just the Internet, the images are flattened
and the designs are in 3d.
At least we use a camera, most use the telephone.
A bit more respect to the viewer, in fact we also use a backdrop.
Seen below.

Lingnan is a little different from wiring.
It requires the tree to first be healthy.
Additionally, our inspiration is drawn from nature.
You may have seen me asking for images of mature Brazil
Raintrees, because this how a design would be worked out.
At the risk of offending you.
Good Day
Anthony

This is how a tree is done down here.
First a drawn design then --------

View attachment 198952

then a cutting is grown into the shape -
Due to extreme cold and heat this year [ beast from the East ]
lost two back branches.

Probably at genetic limit for branchlets.

View attachment 198953

If you think that that shrub looks anything like the tree in the drawing, you gotta get off the ganga. I mean its not close and when in leaf that tree will again look like a rounded off bush. I think you guys are about as close minded as I've ever seen and really are the definition of a parrot. I mean you say the same thing to every beginner - take a dozen cuttings and spend 5 years watering them and if they are alive after that then wait till th trunk is 3" and grow 6 branches. Its just such poor advice - you've been told this and had it explained to you why, yet you continue to sqwak it out on EVERY thread. What I personally have seen you guys put out is what I see happen to a lot of folks and is what happens when you do bonsai for 1 year 40 times over vs. doing bonsai for 40 years accumulating knowledge from as many sources as possible. I'm not trying to be harsh personally but you just seem to be missing the entire concept of Bonsai on a lot of levels. You seem very constrained by ideas that really make no sense. I mean the whole draw a tree, grow it to match the picture, then essentially take a picture bc you 'won' and then throw it in the burn pile is like doing Bonsai in the Bizarro world.

 

[MichaelS]

Then don't but if you do expect feed back.

Ahh....ok!

 

[Anthony]

Fascinating,
I am sorry that is all I can respond with.
Simply fascinating.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[M. Frary]

Ryan finally responded with, “No, Master, teach me!”

And then the learning began

Oh boy!
50 Shades of Gay.

 

[M. Frary]

Fascinating,
I am sorry that is all I can respond with.
Simply fascinating.
Good Day
Anthony

Don't bother Anthony.
Them Boon boys get to start with excellent material. They're not digging through nurseries or working with too many native plants either.
They just buy their bonsai.
Clip a little here,wire a little there and Viola! Badass 100 year old plus tree ready to show.
You and K build them from sctatch. Something they know nothing of.
2 very different approaches.

 

[Dav4]

Don't bother Anthony.
Them Boon boys get to start with excellent material. They're not digging through nurseries or working with too many native plants either.
They just buy their bonsai.
Clip a little here,wire a little there and Viola! Badass 100 year old plus tree ready to show.
You and K build them from sctatch. Something they know nothing of.
2 very different approaches.

Come on Mike. That's simply not true. You haven't seen some of Markyscott's progression threads here? He's essentially starting with stumps or seed started material in many or most of them. Riversedgebonsai is also a SoB... he's building bonsai from the ground up, too. I attended a Boon workshop this past spring at Adair's, along with 2 other gents who were Boon students. Adair had the most developed stock, I was close behind him, but the other 2 guys were working LOTS of young material.... most were still in grow boxes and colanders.

 

[markyscott]

...Them Boon boys get to start with excellent material. They're not digging through nurseries or working with too many native plants either.
They just buy their bonsai...

Untrue and more than a little insulting. Boon is my teacher and, although I do have excellent trees I’ve purchased from or through Boon, my garden is about 1/2 natives, most of which I collected myself. I have numerous threads on those trees as well as developing trees from both nursery stock and seed.

S

 

[Anthony]

Gogeerah,

I don't mind the attempted barbing, they are searching for more
information. In order to prove, I would have to spill.
Plus note who is placing likes and responding.

I try to be open and upfront with Sifu, all of the time.
I respect his knowledge.

I am not here to critique folk's trees, just encourage and
pass on results of our experiments.
And have fun burning bits of Tokyo.

Not here to fight, just chat.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Anthony]

@JudyB .

I hope you are correct, that Gmelina was great to grow and train.
Thanks for the positive.

@Adair M,

Sifu,

Like Australia, Trinidad due to it's pine lumber industry will not allow
the importation of anything other than pine seed.
Thanks for the look.
Perhaps I may improve enough to show in 40 years from now.
Family stock hit's late 90's and 100's, so maybe we can share
in the future.

As usual, thanks for taking the time to respond.

@choppychoppy ,

once again thank you for the critique. Learning.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Anthony]

To borrow a bit from the world of Oil Painting.

"When someone shows a "finished effort" they don't want critiques,
just Praise."
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You gotta love the world of Fine Art for all that ----- experience.

Good Day
Anthony

 

[Paulpash]

I just don't understand why we can't accept all forms of quality information, from veterans like Vance who have walked their own path through to the pros & their students who have taken a more formal route?

As long as you evaluate each bit of information or advice on its own merits through practical application then everyone's a winner.

It's almost like prejudice - out of principle one camp cannot accept the ways of others. Strange. Does it matter where the source came from if the end result is better quality bonsai ? I don't think my trees would mind

 

[Anthony]

Gogeerah,

I will share this, which was going to Martin @thumblessprimate1 ,
An observation.

2 Celtis l. both have been imaged in Martin's Hackberry topic.

We chose to not repot the mother and to repot the larger hackberry.
Observation -

[1] If you bare root or just cut around for repotting. You slow down the
tree. The bare rooting is for x months.
The repotting is for 2 or 3 months.

[2] Presently the mother is out growing the larger one.
Leaves are allowed 10 to a shoot, cut back to one leaf.
The mother was cut back 3 times for June.
The larger once.

The idea

knowing the above, spend two years not repotting for fine
branching.
Third year give up refining for repotting.

Both trees are fertilised every week during the Dry Season.
once every 2 weeks during the Wet.

Additionally our temperatures range between -
86 to 90 degrees for 30 minutes to 10 minutes
70 to 75 at night.
January to March you will hit high 60;s once in
a while,65 to 69 deg,F for 10 hrs or so at night.

This year was unusual a month and a half of 65
to 69 [ Beast from the East - Russia ]

Killed -Large Serrisa s, Fukien teas, and a favourite
Russian Olive -------- sub-tropicals.
The locals apparently are immune to this effect
Odd, isn't it?
Checking to see how many years apart this happens,
The Russian Effect.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Lorax7]

To borrow a bit from the world of Oil Painting.

"When someone shows a "finished effort" they don't want critiques,
just Praise."
_________________________________________________________

You gotta love the world of Fine Art for all that ----- experience.

Good Day
Anthony

Maybe there’s something odd about oil painters, specifically, but I doubt they’re really different from those who use acrylic, watercolor, etc. As a painter (but not of oils), this sounds like nonsense to me. I routinely ask for critiques of finished work. It’s important both for improving your work over time (did the work communicate what I intended to say) and for deciding which work to show (what others think is your best work is sometimes surprising).

 

[Anthony]

Lorax,

the folk I am talking about are the Ateliers of Boston [ Ives Gammell ]
The Florence Academy, Studio Cecil, Atelier Lack ,other Ateliers and the
Academies.
These are high end painters.

As I said before these guys do not really use galleries.
Sales are by work viewed in private hangings.
Wealthy folks homes. Think Rubens.

Also exist on private lists, and not public.

Most have left the Internet, due to the Chinese listing them as dead
and then copying the work for sale.
Or they got tired of the requests for free training [ much as what
happens on Bonsai Lists with more experienced heads ]

They don't do - Wet Canvas.
Especially since most folk will not read at the archives and there
is much repetition, as questions go.
Good Day
Anthony