RickMartin
Omono
This is another pine i got from the nursery. Its in its second flush of growth right now. It needs pruned, but not that time yet.Rick
Aleppo Pine
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This is another pine i got from the nursery. Its in its second flush of growth right now. It needs pruned, but not that time yet.Rick
Saizan
Yamadori
Take a look at this link:
http://www.ofer-grunwald-bonsai.com/cracking-mediterranean-red-pines/
I don't know your ideas for this tree, but IMHO needs a hardcore branch selection and cutback to promote backbudding, which in aleppo pines is very easy to promote.
http://www.ofer-grunwald-bonsai.com/cracking-mediterranean-red-pines/
I don't know your ideas for this tree, but IMHO needs a hardcore branch selection and cutback to promote backbudding, which in aleppo pines is very easy to promote.
RickMartin
Omono
I agree but from what ive read im still a month away from that.
Rick
Rick
Saizan
Yamadori
Supposing that the article is 100% true: "Before the fall cycle (August through September) – cut back shoots, thin needles, restyle pads, don’t decandle."
Again, I don't know what you want to do to the plant, but now you can cut back branches (backbudding) and thin needles to allow sunlight into the canopy, that probably will promote inner budding.
In my little experience, aleppo pines are toughter than JBP for example, and when you cutback they backbud in every season except winter, easier than other pines.
RickMartin
Omono
I am not sure im comfortable pruning branches in 100+ temoeratures. The tree will be 16-18 inches when all is said and done. I have read his article several times so i understand when to do things i figured another month it would start cooling down some.
Rick
This one has to work for you in your climate. It likes pretty much water in growing season, in the winter being on the dryer side.
If this helps, here is my P. pinea, 11 years from the seed. This year it came out with the first mature needles, I'm going for it's natural umbrella style.
The tree was shoot pruned some three weeks ago, all new growth removed by single clean cut. It was really hot, temps up to 37℃. A weak ago I removed some buds from the places where there was too many... leaving max three... The pics taken today after some additional shoot removal.
Here you can see how it sprouted from the old wood.
If this helps, here is my P. pinea, 11 years from the seed. This year it came out with the first mature needles, I'm going for it's natural umbrella style.
The tree was shoot pruned some three weeks ago, all new growth removed by single clean cut. It was really hot, temps up to 37℃. A weak ago I removed some buds from the places where there was too many... leaving max three... The pics taken today after some additional shoot removal.
Here you can see how it sprouted from the old wood.
Saizan
Yamadori
I totally agree with you caution principle. My experience is from mediterranean climate (mediterranean coast I mean
), where we usually have near 90ºF summers and very few days 100 or more.
RickMartin
Omono
I will see what the temp is when i get off work..its the right time of the year for it and our temps are not to far off from yours.
Rick
Rick
RickMartin
Omono
Ok i let some light in on this one..a couple of problems arose doing this. Alot of the branches in the apex were almost as big as the trunk so they had to go. It still needs alot of work but i think it will come around. My wiring sucks, i really need some lessons in wiring. Also need to get copper wire instead of aluminum wire. I still think i have to many branches, but i didnt want to go any futher until i know how the tree reacts to what i did. For a newbie i think i did ok. I did leave stubbs on the branches i cut.Rick
Wiring lesson:
Www.craftsy.com. It's free. You do have to register. Once in, search "bonsai". You'll find a wiring tutorial by Colin Lewis.
Copper wire:
www.adamsbonsai.com. Julian sells a starter set of a little bit of all gauges. From there, you can find what sizes you need.
Www.craftsy.com. It's free. You do have to register. Once in, search "bonsai". You'll find a wiring tutorial by Colin Lewis.
Copper wire:
www.adamsbonsai.com. Julian sells a starter set of a little bit of all gauges. From there, you can find what sizes you need.
RickMartin
Omono
Tree pretty much sucks right. I will try the craftsy site again..wouldnt let me register last time i tried it. Dont know why, but it wouldnt
Rick
I don't know anything about Aleppo.
The wire you applied looks to be too small (thin) to be effective. It's better to put wire on that's a little too large than too small. Too small, it doesn't hold, and you tend to over bend so that it will be where you want it when it relaxes. Too heavy, and the wire is harder to apply, and it's more difficult to make little bends.
Of course, the right size wire is effective and easy to manipulate.
The wire you applied looks to be too small (thin) to be effective. It's better to put wire on that's a little too large than too small. Too small, it doesn't hold, and you tend to over bend so that it will be where you want it when it relaxes. Too heavy, and the wire is harder to apply, and it's more difficult to make little bends.
Of course, the right size wire is effective and easy to manipulate.
RickMartin
Omono
But you do know pines and branch placement. I still feel theres to many branches on the tree. I will order wire tomorrow and try again when it gets here. Thanks for your time.
Rick
aml1014
Masterpiece
I agree with you that the tree has to many branches, but you've removed a fair amount already. I personally would leave it alone until the weather cools some, don't want to over work the poor thing.
Aaron
Saizan
Yamadori
The problem with aleppo pines is that ramify very well, so you have a lot of branches to choose. That is no a real problem, but sometimes you need to make a big branch selection. About copper vs alu wire, I use aluminum and I prefer it, since you can correct a bad wiring and is cheaper than cooper.
If you want some ideas for a futur design, here you have one of the best aleppo pines I've ever see (and links with some evolution inside): http://centrobonsaitenerife.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/actualizacion-pino-halepensis.html
Same style as you, but a bit more refined.
RickMartin
Omono
Wow that is a nice one. Gives me hope now. I was thinking i screwed this tree up .
Rick
Rick
That's a nice tree you linked. If it refines like that, Rick's tree will be very nice.
Rick, start at the bottom, choose a "key branch", and work your way up from the bottom. After you pick your key branch, then look for one on the opposite side, and then a back branch. Avoid having two branches coming off the trunk at the same height if possible. If not possible, try to have them come off at an angle, rather than both creating a "bar" right thru the trunk. As you approach the top, you do want some "frontal" branches. Your apex should lean a bit towards the viewer.
As to copper vs aluminum, annealed copper is superior to aluminum in that it holds better for a given thickness of wire, it turns brown over time, so it becomes nearly invisible, and contrary to what many people apparently think, you can make adjustments later. It doesn't become rock hard. The thicker wire does get pretty stiff, but I've "tweaked" branches wired with copper a year or two later after I've placed the wire! Yes, it does cost more. Soft annealed copper wire is just as easy to apply as aluminum. Copper work hardens as you bend it, which is the property that works to hold branches where you set them. With aluminum,you often have to "overbend" the branch so that when it relaxes, it will be where you want it. With copper, you set it and it stays. (Over time, aluminum can continue to relax, so the style you set, may not stay. The branch can revert back to its original position. Copper works much better to prevent this from happening. Certain species of trees, for example Atlas Cedar, will overpower aluminum over time. Heck, even copper has a difficult time with them!)
RickMartin
Omono
Giga
Masterpiece
Interesting pine, don't know a thing about them but seems like it can be made to something with the right techniques, good luck with it!
