Shohin Aleppo pine

[0soyoung]

If you say so

On a more serious note, you do encounter them a lot? That is interesting.
Do you know of there's a lot of aleppo pine show ready specimens?

No I don't. It was a chance encounter that I found the one I had. It was untagged at a local grower's 'farm', but had cones which made the ID (p. halepensis). That, and later my mother-in-law dropping by and saying something like, 'ohh, an Aleppo pine! We had several of those in CA (LA-SanDiego area). So pretty' impressed me. Its adaption to 'Mediterranean'/hot climes (i.e., places where people cannot grow pines) also impressed me.

Pavlov rings the bell and I cannot help myself.

 

[Tentakelaertje]

The primary branches aren't very flexible :s I was able to bend them just a little bit. Secondary branches are still flexible. I'm hoping I can use the growth of next year to replace (in time) the present leggy branches. That way I can make the design more compact, without having to bend the branches back and forth. I don't know if this makes sense But in the meantime I should indeed add some more movement to the secondary branches!

Yeah you make sense
From which part of Belgium are you? Flanders or Wallonia? Lotsa snow at yours? Stuff here is pretty white right now

 

[Tentakelaertje]

No I don't. It was a chance encounter that I found the one I had. It was untagged at a local grower's 'farm', but had cones which made the ID (p. halepensis). That, and later my mother-in-law dropping by and saying something like, 'ohh, an Aleppo pine! We had several of those in CA (LA-SanDiego area). So pretty' impressed me. Its adaption to 'Mediterranean'/hot climes (i.e., places where people cannot grow pines) also impressed me.

Pavlov rings the bell and I cannot help myself.

Ah sucks. Pretty cool to find one tho. Why didn't you take it?

 

[Starfox]

If you say so

On a more serious note, you do encounter them a lot? That is interesting.
Do you know of there's a lot of aleppo pine show ready specimens?

Not quite show ready but hey it's still pretty cool.

https://blogjardimdebonsai.blogspot.com.es/2017/12/pinus-halepensis_9.html#more

 

[Fishtank307]

Yeah you make sense
From which part of Belgium are you? Flanders or Wallonia? Lotsa snow at yours? Stuff here is pretty white right now

I live in Tremelo, Flanders Small town near Leuven. And yes! Tons of snow! The whole country was in a state of chaos, caused by 5 centimeters of snow! I love it

 

[0soyoung]

Ah sucks. Pretty cool to find one tho. Why didn't you take it?

I did.
It was sick.
It died despite my best efforts.

I haven't seen one around here since.


my apologies for my convoluted wordings

 

[Tentakelaertje]

Not quite show ready but hey it's still pretty cool.

https://blogjardimdebonsai.blogspot.com.es/2017/12/pinus-halepensis_9.html#more

Oh wow, awesome! Even clicked like twice!

I live in Tremelo, Flanders Small town near Leuven. And yes! Tons of snow! The whole country was in a state of chaos, caused by 5 centimeters of snow! I love it

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Ahh hartstikke gaaf man! Yeah, the whole country being upside down over 2 flakes lol. Over here we had 5-8 cm and the KNMI went straight to code red haha.
Are you familiar with Bonsai Yume? They are closing up right now, not too far from you. About 42 minutes actually, just looked it up.

I did.
It was sick.
It died despite my best efforts.

I haven't seen one around here since.


my apologies for my convoluted wordings

Oh shit, I missed that! Now I recall reading that yeah. Sorry about it, may another one cross your path soon!

 

[Fishtank307]

Buds are moving... Observation: there are visible buds on more 'mature' branches and at the top of the tree (marked in black) The tree also pushes new 'juvenile' growth on weaker, younger branches (marked in red).

 

[Potawatomi13]

Do you mean creating a flat root base by cutting the upward growing roots?

If not flat at least less one sided. May still need to change angle of tree to bring others upward. Do you refer to Italian Stone pine as Aleppo? Eventually plan to have ISP at least in yard, maybe in pot.

 

[Fishtank307]

If not flat at least less one sided. May still need to change angle of tree to bring others upward. Do you refer to Italian Stone pine as Aleppo? Eventually plan to have ISP at least in yard, maybe in pot.

Aleppo pine is a different species. But apperently it has a lot in common with ISP, concerning growth habits

 

[Daniel Camilleri]

nice specimen. Around where i live, Aleppo's are the only pines you can spot here and there. Quite hardy and as you rightly find out, can flush 2, 3 times a year, especially if ground growing and heavy fertilizing. Belgium might be a bit cooler so probably 2 flushes will do. attached are a couple of mine that are still being ground grown.

 

[Fishtank307]

nice specimen. Around where i live, Aleppo's are the only pines you can spot here and there. Quite hardy and as you rightly find out, can flush 2, 3 times a year, especially if ground growing and heavy fertilizing. Belgium might be a bit cooler so probably 2 flushes will do. attached are a couple of mine that are still being ground grown.

Nice little trees! I'm looking forward to the first growing season with this species I still need to learn more about there growth habits...

How do they respond to root work and repotting? I repotted this one yesterday. It was incredibly pot-bound And since it was pruned and wired last fall, I was reluctant to cut the roots. I tried to take out the old soil (not completely of course...) and create some more space between the roots, for more drainage. I then put it in a larger pot, with a mix of akadama, pumice and zeolite.

Where do you live, if I may ask?

 

[Daniel Camilleri]

Nice little trees! I'm looking forward to the first growing season with this species I still need to learn more about there growth habits...

How do they respond to root work and repotting? I repotted this one yesterday. It was incredibly pot-bound And since it was pruned and wired last fall, I was reluctant to cut the roots. I tried to take out the old soil (not completely of course...) and create some more space between the roots, for more drainage. I then put it in a larger pot, with a mix of akadama, pumice and zeolite.

Where do you live, if I may ask?

First off, I live in Malta, a tiny island beneath Italy. Our climiate is probably kinda warmer. As far as Aleppos go, I've been into them for 5 or 6 years, I've got around 12 or so, all growing in the ground. The ones i did repot however were 2 year old seedlings who responded to bare rooting very well. I only did so on the younger one as the rate of success would have been higher than older ones and losing saplings wouldn't have cost me that much. Took a chance to be fair. Established trees are a different matter and to be honest, I'm thinking of barerooting 1/3 of the root mass every 2 years. I'm going with every 2 years since when potting them up, trees will still be fairly young and healthy and thus will probably adapt well to such a strict work regiment, but obviuosly, i'll treat each and every tree individually. As far as soil go, akadama and pumice work quite well from the talk of fellow bonsaiist. I'm thinking of adding up organic matter for the simple reason that in my climate, i would probably need more water retention than you do, since our summers can be pretty devastatingly hot.

 

[aml1014]

That is just because you don't live in a desert climate. Nice species for places like Allepo Syria, Phoenix and Tucson Arizona, SoCal. It might even do well in Albequerque. It is reportedly hardy to zone 8, but I could not rescue a not so healthy one I found at a local nursery. I certainly is very pretty as a landscape specimen.

We have them all over here in Albuquerque, many did get dieback though in 2011 when we got down to -11°f, but most survived it and are finally looking decent again.

Aaron

 

[Fishtank307]

Picture of the tree in its new pot! I chose a larger pot because I want to let it recover from styling. I didn't do any major root work, just combed out parts of the old soil. When I repot it next time, I'll have to make sure I can rootprune it safely.

 

[Fishtank307]

Quick update. I only got one flush this growing season, probably due to pruning, styling and repotting all at once.
I didn't prune it, just let it recover until a couple of weeks ago, when I wired it again.



(ignore the apex for now...)




It's looks super dense right now, but the main branch structure is set imo.

Next growing season I'm going to try and prune it after the first flush. Hopefully it'll grow some juvenile foliage closer to the trunk.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Do you mean creating a flat root base by cutting the upward growing roots?

Been some time. Not really, these add character. Just bringing more to surface/view.

 

[jonathanvperth]

Here’s my Aleppo. I bought it as pre bonsai material in Perth Australia. I’ve had it a year or so. And yes it’s photoshopped into that pot, I was choosing between 3 pots and had to see the result lol. I’ve got another as well: these love to grow and are a nice tree to bonsai. One negative is that the bark doesn’t show much character until they are over 10 years old

 

[Ziober]

I live in Tremelo, Flanders Small town near Leuven. And yes! Tons of snow! The whole country was in a state of chaos, caused by 5 centimeters of snow! I love it

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So it's frost resistant i guess? I have the small one (1 year) growing from seed (Christmas gift) at the balcony. I'm going to secure roots from possibly frost.

I don't know how cold winters in Belgium are, do you remember biggest frost your tree survived?

 

[Fishtank307]

So it's frost resistant i guess? I have the small one (1 year) growing from seed (Christmas gift) at the balcony. I'm going to secure roots from possibly frost.

I don't know how cold winters in Belgium are, do you remember biggest frost your tree survived?

Sadly, this little tree kicked the bucket Not sure what caused it.. Probably a combination of repotting and pruning.
The biggest frost we had while I had this tree was probably something like -7°C. I'd protect it if temps drop below zero for a couple of days. One cold spell doesn't seem to do much harm..