Oerc201
Mame
Not too bad. thanks man
Acer palmatum beni chidori (from cutting)
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clem
Chumono
hello, i cut some branches on this tree. Some sacrifice branches on the back of the tree and the crown.
Here is the back of the tree. Maybe it will become the front, despite the scars, because the base is bigger and the second part of the trunk is concave, more elegant.
The nebari on the back lack of front roots, so i'll probably perform thread grafts with Beni Chidori cuttings, next spring ->
the Beni Chidori cuttings in their small pots, to make it easier to place them ->
Here is the back of the tree. Maybe it will become the front, despite the scars, because the base is bigger and the second part of the trunk is concave, more elegant.
The nebari on the back lack of front roots, so i'll probably perform thread grafts with Beni Chidori cuttings, next spring ->
the Beni Chidori cuttings in their small pots, to make it easier to place them ->
giventofly
Shohin
Quick question, why did you put the cutting inside a bigger pot? You want the roots to grow from the inside to the bigger bucket ?
clem
Chumono
I put those narrow & small pots in a bigger pot to increase their stability (as they can fall very easily) and to increase the humidity around the cuttings. I plan to get those little pots out of the bigger bucket to cut the roots that stick out of the draining holes, every month or so.. I want to keep all the roots in those little pots to increase the chances that those cuttings survive after thread graft..
clem
Chumono
you can find him here ->
www.pepinieresbotaniquesarmoricaines.fr
But i dunno if he will ship
Contact :: pepinieresbotaniquesarmoricaines
Pépinières Botaniques Armoricaines
www.pepinieresbotaniquesarmoricaines.fr
ibakey
Mame
Very interesting thread! I had trouble sourcing for a benichidori and only managed to get a seedling but your route seems to be much faster!
I am also located in france too, hopefully i can make a trip down to the nursery.
Do you know if he delivers within france?
I am also located in france too, hopefully i can make a trip down to the nursery.
Do you know if he delivers within france?
ibakey
Mame
Thats nice! You ordered a small tree like clem or a young plant ?
Ah, grafted. But i guess we can always airlayer later on.
BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
Maybe start your own thread on what you ordered, theres a good chap
clem
Chumono
Yes he delivers within France, but only in Winter (dormancy)
I recieved some cuttings from him this way...If you want to buy a good pre-Bonsai, the best is to visit the nursery and choose a tree you like. If you want to start from cutting, it is fine to recieve a young cutting from the post office because they are all the same (good rooting on every cutting)
clem
Chumono
On this tree, i performed thread grafting with 3 Beni Chidori cuttings a week ago
On those pics, you can see the lack of roots in the middle of the nebari (on front and back face) ->
So i grafted 1 cutting on the front, and 2 on the back ->
With some healing paste ->
On those pics, you can see the lack of roots in the middle of the nebari (on front and back face) ->
So i grafted 1 cutting on the front, and 2 on the back ->
With some healing paste ->
clem
Chumono
the tree is repotted ->
I hope this time, the 3 cuttings will survive !! I they survive, the grafting will be a success and the nebari of this tree will be far better imo
I hope this time, the 3 cuttings will survive !! I they survive, the grafting will be a success and the nebari of this tree will be far better imo
ibakey
Mame
Alright. I now have to find an excuse for a road trip to the west of france so as to do the nursery visit, might as well visit Brest while i am at it since its not far from it.
I think your tree is coming along very nicely and accelerated! the nebari and trunk improved tremendously over the past few years. The shallow wooden box really helps I can tell.
Did you make the box yourself? I think i just might have to get myself to castorama or leroy merlin one of these days to get myself some wood planks.
I think your tree is coming along very nicely and accelerated! the nebari and trunk improved tremendously over the past few years. The shallow wooden box really helps I can tell.
Did you make the box yourself? I think i just might have to get myself to castorama or leroy merlin one of these days to get myself some wood planks.
clem
Chumono
Yes, i made the wood box, it is easy to do it and you can do what you need (size, height) 
clem
Chumono
Unfortunatly, all the grafts died after the spring growth. Maybe it is because they were strangled and they couldn't grow freely.
Next spring i will perform AUTO-grafts only (to create new sacrifice branches and new roots by ground layering)
The tree at the end of August ->
After the clip ->
As scar completly closed ->
I don't know yet how the scar bump will evolve... Will the bump scar be swallowed by the trunk ? (1) or will it remain forever ? (2)
Next spring i will perform AUTO-grafts only (to create new sacrifice branches and new roots by ground layering)
The tree at the end of August ->
After the clip ->
As scar completly closed ->
I don't know yet how the scar bump will evolve... Will the bump scar be swallowed by the trunk ? (1) or will it remain forever ? (2)
Driftwood
Mame
Hi, nice development sequence. Could u comment how big (diameter) has the nebari and trunk grown since 2019? So are u going to ground layer to improve the nebari? It doesn't look that bad for me, just need time and work. About the 'scar bump' it looks like its almost close and not that bumpy, will never disappear completely but I guess it will look smaller or hardly noticeable.
Thx u for sharing.
Thx u for sharing.
clem
Chumono
Hi,
at the beginning, the trunk diameter was approx. 2,5cm (= 1 inch); now it is maybe 2 inches depending on the height where you take the measurements (tapper)
If you want quicker results, i guess it is better to grow "normal" japanese maples. Cultivars are often weaker. I have grown a "normal" japanese maple for 1 year a few years ago, and the growth was far more generous.
To improve the nebari, i'll perform auto thread gafts + fixing a ring of wire to ground layer the small branches grafted at the same time. I'll show pics this spring. I could let the nebari like that, ok, but i want to find a "nebari improvement technique" that works on my JM cultivars. Thread graft of cuttings = 100% failure with this cultivar. Maybe with a normal JM it would work because the cuttings would be stronger.
clem
Chumono
Hello, some news of what happened to this tree this year..
I repotted it this spring, with also a few thread grafts (to add branches, and to add roots) ->
2 thread grafts on the back of nebari (to add roots) with a tourniquet (to produce roots) ->
On the nebari of the front, i added 1 thread graft (to add roots too) with a tourniquet ->
I also performed other thread grafts on the trunk, to add sacrifice branches (to improve tapper) on the site of the scars (to not create new scars) ->
Only 1 graft on the soil level (with tourniquet) survived (33% of succès, not so good, but better than 0% succès that i add up to now). All the grafts on the trunk survivent but didn't grow this summer.
Here is a pic of the tree yesterday : very good growth this year ->
The back side of the nebari, where 1 graft survived ->
The grafted branch that made roots is on the right side of the pic (with the tourniquet) ->
the bark color changed and it made some roots ( = succès ! finally) ->
new granular substrate, with osmocote + HB101 ->
Now, after so many failures, i know how to add roots on a JM cultivar. Very important for me
Next spring, i will perform 2 grafts without any tourniquet, hoping that they will survive and produce roots naturally (without tourniquet) ...
To be continued ^^
I repotted it this spring, with also a few thread grafts (to add branches, and to add roots) ->
2 thread grafts on the back of nebari (to add roots) with a tourniquet (to produce roots) ->
On the nebari of the front, i added 1 thread graft (to add roots too) with a tourniquet ->
I also performed other thread grafts on the trunk, to add sacrifice branches (to improve tapper) on the site of the scars (to not create new scars) ->
Only 1 graft on the soil level (with tourniquet) survived (33% of succès, not so good, but better than 0% succès that i add up to now). All the grafts on the trunk survivent but didn't grow this summer.
Here is a pic of the tree yesterday : very good growth this year ->
The back side of the nebari, where 1 graft survived ->
The grafted branch that made roots is on the right side of the pic (with the tourniquet) ->
the bark color changed and it made some roots ( = succès ! finally) ->
new granular substrate, with osmocote + HB101 ->
Now, after so many failures, i know how to add roots on a JM cultivar. Very important for me
Next spring, i will perform 2 grafts without any tourniquet, hoping that they will survive and produce roots naturally (without tourniquet) ...
To be continued ^^
baron
Shohin
Now, after so many failures, i know how to add roots on a JM cultivar. Very important for me
Next spring, i will perform 2 grafts without any tourniquet, hoping that they will survive and produce roots naturally (without tourniquet) ...
What was the difference then @clem? I would think the one with tourniquet took because it was kept better in place and had no space to move?
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