The neighborhood kids are driving me crazy

[Gabler]

Honestly a 22 rifle or similar would be more humane if allowed than using something that causes the rabbit "to eat out their own intestines". What a horrible and agonizing death. Has to be a better way.

I think the idea is that it burns the rabbit's mouth (like Buffalo wings), and it stops eating before it gets that far. That's probably referring to cases where rabbits were intentionally fed large amounts of the stuff.

I do prefer to use a .22 myself, but if I'm working, I can't be watching my trees. Fortunately, I've had good luck with chicken wire, but I would not hesitate to use hot peppers if the wire fence failed.

 

[Wulfskaar]

I'm glad I live on the edge of town. I have plenty of predators. My rabbits are not bad at all, and we have even fed them a couple times. At worst, they will be fatter for the predators. These are all from my back yard.

Large owls.

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Gray Foxes.

Bobcats.

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Mountain lions.
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Buzzards.


Rattlesnakes.

 

[Paradox]

As I said in a previous post, we had an explosion of rabbits in the neighborhood last year. No natural predators here except hawks maybe owls.

My dog took out at least 2 babies that I know of....couldn't catch him to stop him. Felt bad about it but he got a good snack I guess...

I keep my trees up on 3 foot high benches. The rabbits can't reach them. I've had more problems with birds digging in the pots.

 

[Cajunrider]

Capsaicin won't cause humans to "eat out their own intestines".

Honestly a 22 rifle or similar would be more humane if allowed than using something that causes the rabbit to eat out their own intestines. What a horrible and agonizing death. Has to be a better way.

My air rifle is more than good enough. One shot is all I need for each. I leave all critters alone and will tolerate some level of losses. When it gets to be too much then trap and release. If that fails then I take them out.

 

[RaginCajun]

Beavers and rabbits! Sounds like you ought not be starving with all them groceries running around the place!
You reckon you could figure out exactly what them chillruns is feeding the rabbits so I can in turn do the same thing to attract them… to my house…

 

[just.wing.it]

I have armies of rabbits in my yard around the clock everyday. They actually don't bother my bonsai, even on the ground. But they will destroy my veggies and blueberries so I have to set up a chicken wire barriers around those.
Deer eat my peaches and apples right off the branches if I don't block them with a 4' plastic barrier. Those trees are small still, but they produce.

 

[penumbra]

We live in the middle of a hardwood forest with some clear area. We have dozens of rabbits 10 or 11 dear, wild turkeys and hundreds of squirrels. We feed them all including an occasional bear, raccoons and possums. I sprinkle dried hot peppers in grow pots and on bench tops when needed. I use peppermint oil close to the house (mice and squirrels really hate it) And I use fox and coyote urine granuals sprinkled liberally around in my nursery area. My cats do help, but not as much as the owls and hawks. I have very little critter damage.

 

[just.wing.it]

We live in the middle of a hardwood forest with some clear area. We have dozens of rabbits 10 or 11 dear, wild turkeys and hundreds of squirrels. We feed them all including an occasional bear, raccoons and possums. I sprinkle dried hot peppers in grow pots and on bench tops when needed. I use peppermint oil close to the house (mice and squirrels really hate it) And I use fox and coyote urine granuals sprinkled liberally around in my nursery area. My cats do help, but not as much as the owls and hawks. I have very little critter damage.

I like the multi-layered approach.
How do you apply the peppermint oil?
I have a good cat too, he's a killer.

 

[Shogun610]

Intentionally poisoning wildlife if a criminal offense.

Mammals can detect capsaicin it’s the pepper plant species use for self defense , if peppers can deter animals from eating them( fun fact birds cannot detect capsaicin which is advantageous for peppers because birds can distribute their seeds wider via droppings or discarded scraps) why is it a offense for humans to use the powder , they would smell it or taste it and not be interested In that are.
Your definition could be considered a criminal offense if used in manner for malicious intent or if used as an attraction to lure in, not as a deterrent
Uncle C lives in Louisiana currently , therefore Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF) endorses humane deterrents. They recommend using natural, hot pepper sprays to deter certain wildlife from gardens and unwanted areas.

Now if he is in PA and does this
The Pennsylvania Game Commission permits the use of certain repellents, including those containing capsaicin, to deter wildlife. However, it's essential to ensure that any deterrent used does not harm the animals or violate other wildlife protection regulation using capsaicin to deter wildlife is allowed, intentionally placing food, salt, etc to lure is not allowed.

- I am not a lawyer just very well versed in USDA , FSIS, department fisheries and wildlife , EPA etc regulations due to career

 

[just.wing.it]

Mammals can detect capsaicin it’s the pepper plant species use for self defense , if peppers can deter animals from eating them( fun fact birds cannot detect capsaicin which is advantageous for peppers because birds can distribute their seeds wider via droppings or discarded scraps) why is it a offense for humans to use the powder , they would smell it or taste it and not be interested In that are.
Your definition could be considered a criminal offense if used in manner for malicious intent or if used as an attraction to lure in, not as a deterrent
Uncle C lives in Louisiana currently , therefore Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF) endorses humane deterrents. They recommend using natural, hot pepper sprays to deter certain wildlife from gardens and unwanted areas.

Now if he is in PA and does this
The Pennsylvania Game Commission permits the use of certain repellents, including those containing capsaicin, to deter wildlife. However, it's essential to ensure that any deterrent used does not harm the animals or violate other wildlife protection regulation using capsaicin to deter wildlife is allowed, intentionally placing food, salt, etc to lure is not allowed.

- I am not a lawyer just very well versed in USDA , FSIS, department fisheries and wildlife , EPA etc regulations due to career

I think what he's is saying is that intentionally damaging wildlife with a poison or anything else can be a crime, potentially.
Hell, feeding wildlife can be a crime.
However, a critter that can be deemed to be a pest is certainly able to be poisoned.

 

[Shogun610]

I think what he's is saying is that intentionally damaging wildlife with a poison or anything else can be a crime, potentially.
Hell, feeding wildlife can be a crime.
However, a critter that can be deemed to be a pest is certainly able to be poisoned.

Right , but also with malicious intent or luring would be the red line in PA but in LA he’s good it’s actually preferred.. he’s using as a deterrent and well within interpretation of laws / regulations to preserve his inventory

 

[RaginCajun]

one thing is for sure in Louisiana.. we have enough natural predators to swiftly balance things out. When I was a NUCO(nuisance control operator) for LDWF part of our certification was learning to first assess the situation before deeming a problem truly “nuisance”. We could legally trap any species out of season as long as it was a nuisance problem. If we showed up for a call in, first thing we were taught to do was look for preventative measures. Or a lack of.
For example, a common call.. raccoons getting in the trash can.. show up and they don’t have a secure lid on the can… they’re just trying to survive like us. Put a lid on the can!
For rabbits, I would just cull a few for the stew pot during hunting season.

 

[rockm]

Then how does D-Con earn money?

Also, if police can use capsaicin on humans, I see no reason we can't use it to deter animals. I wouldn't consider it a poison. For that matter, how is it different than bear spray?

Of crying out loud I'm not going to argue this silly point. Using rodent poison, etc. outside on wildlife is illegal. Check you local state/county laws. It's also just common sense. That poison inside the dead rodent can be passed on to larger predators. We get rat poisoned Bald Eagles around here from this very thing.

 

[Gabler]

Of crying out loud I'm not going to argue this silly point. Using rodent poison, etc. outside on wildlife is illegal. Check you local state/county laws. It's also just common sense. That poison inside the dead rodent can be passed on to larger predators. We get rat poisoned Bald Eagles around here from this very thing.

Yes, it's wrong to use rat poison outdoors, but capsaicin isn't poison—it's just an irritant. My point was that it's fine to use poison against indoor pests, and hot peppers certainly aren't worse than actual poison, so it makes sense to use them as a deterrent, where they aren't harmful to an ecosystem. Case in point: you won't see bald eagles poisoned by hot peppers.

It is not your fault I was unclear in my prior post. It was a hasty reply.