The 2025/26 Raft 5 Year Contest

I think things are just on pause to iron out wrinkles and ensure no disrespect. It doesn't seem like @leatherback has posted since Monday. I'd imagine they're a busy individual. I know they run a Youtube channel and are very outwardly communicative with their knowledge in a positive way. The radio silence from them may be completely unrelated to this little mix up. I hope the silence is nothing more severe than being busy (life is crazy and unexpected). We can speculate, but based on prior community interactions both parties in the exchange are well respected and seemingly kind, reasonable individuals. I would suspect no ill will unless otherwise shown/demonstrated. I personally have not seen anything but passion, compassion, and respect, when I distill the situation.

The typical theme with these contests is to have an excuse to put some effort in on a project on a community level; a little competition and structure can be an excellent motivational factor. They seem less critical about winners and clout. Kind of a kick to build/create something and maybe even discover new information in the process. That said, I would encourage those interested in the contest to formulate plans and/or take action on other prep tasks, gather materials, review past contests, etc. There's clear interest in the raft subject and that's encouraging enough to start a project IMO.

I've also seen @leatherback attempt to foster collaborative study on various projects/species where there may be little information/experience. If there were intentions for such a thing in this contest, it may require some extra consideration to the rules. To ensure a closer adherence to a scientific methodology, for example. This is purely speculation, FWIW.

That said, IMO, the likelihood of the contest occuring after some space to iron out seems high.

I hope all is well with @leatherback and their world. @KateM I commend you for how you've navigated the situation; accountable, respectful, and gracious. A model of how we can approach our mistakes with ourselves and each other.
 
My thoughts
@leatherback
-Has full right to accept/not accept my apologies
-There could be very many real life issues that prevent him to attending to the forum issues
-It would be wrong to continue with the contest until we hear back from him

Meanwhile we can gather material and think about rafts to make :)
 
I'm confused, 🤔 I thought the first step in raft design should be done out of growth season?...

Initial collection, wiring and initial styling should be possible in the fall right? Or am I miss something..?

No. Most species are best collected/repotted in spring.
So actual raft formation wouldn't really start until you can repot.

Wiring is usually done early fall to late spring before buds swell

Need to be careful if temperature is around freezing though.
 
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.. OK. So.. I am back. Been in Jakarta for a good weekfor work, and after that gone through a major redundancy round at work -yes, I survived the slaughter, and have been asked to rebuild part of the faculty-. All in all.. Too energy consuming to join discussions here.

My earlier remark triggered a realization that I should not enter online discussions when tired & affected in staff reduction discussions, so I popped out, not knowing my comment would trigger such broad speculations.
@KateM no hard feelings from my side. Do-ers are always good to have around.

Still too much distracted with people having a hard time loosing 10% of their colleagues, some of which have been with us for several decades, to get into things here. Just popped in to seewhat I missed.
 
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.. OK. So.. I am back. Been in Jakarta for a good weekfor work, and after that gone through a major redundancy round at work -yes, I survived the slaughter, and have been asked to rebuild part of the faculty-. All in all.. Too energy consuming to join discussions here.

My earlier remark triggered a realization that I should now enter online discussions when tired & affected in staff reduction discussions, so I popped out, not knowing my comment would trigger such broad speculations.
@KateM no hard feelings from my side. Do-ers are always good to have around.

Still too much distracted with people having a hard time loosing 10% of their colleagues, some of which have been with us for several decades, to get into things here. Just popped in to seewhat I missed.
Welcome back and sorry to hear about worker losses. Have been through several at my place or work and it’s no fun. Hopefully morale isn’t too low there.
 
Hopefully morale isn’t too low there.
It is terrible right now.

I was a lucky one.. My position was made redundant & my team cancelled. I was fired on Friday while at the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta for work..
Then in de same phonecall a job offer was made for a role I did not wish to have, but the alternative -unemployed without any financial compensation (as I would reject an alternative position) was no better. I accepted today, and had the first team meeting today, with people who hate the management team for firing life-long friends.

Great way to get people energized. But.. Gone from leadng a 5 person to now a 25 person team so will eventually work out I think.
 
Sounds super fun!! Maybe I'll jump into this contest. I'm looking for a nice hornbeam.. and no material under a hundred dollars what if your collected material is worth more than 100 dollars??????
 
Yeah, seems like things are pretty bad everywhere...
Hopefully bonsai can provide us with so much needed outlet.
I know when I come home from my hated job (and I like what I do, just not how the things are run) walking around and looking at my trees lifts my spirits.
 
Yeah, seems like things are pretty bad everywhere...
Hopefully bonsai can provide us with so much needed outlet.
I know when I come home from my hated job (and I like what I do, just not how the things are run) walking around and looking at my trees lifts my spirits.
100%. My trees are the simplest part of my life. Sitting in my little tree garden is what keeps me sane.
 
Yeah, seems like things are pretty bad everywhere...
Hopefully bonsai can provide us with so much needed outlet.
I know when I come home from my hated job (and I like what I do, just not how the things are run) walking around and looking at my trees lifts my spirits.
I'm retired since last February, but still glad to go out among my trees and growing projects to find some dreams that can come true someday. Everyone now needs a private island of calm. 😱😱😱
 
It is terrible right now.

I was a lucky one.. My position was made redundant & my team cancelled. I was fired on Friday while at the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta for work..
Then in de same phonecall a job offer was made for a role I did not wish to have, but the alternative -unemployed without any financial compensation (as I would reject an alternative position) was no better. I accepted today, and had the first team meeting today, with people who hate the management team for firing life-long friends.

Great way to get people energized. But.. Gone from leadng a 5 person to now a 25 person team so will eventually work out I think.
Ah , I remember you telling me that something like this was likely to happen when I visited you.
Good to hear you can keep your job although a different one but it beats the alternative I guess.
Ill wait till there's a official contest started to post my contender if I have found one
 
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