The 2023 Yamadori/Collecting Thread

[I_I_am_not_a_cat]

Looking for any information on yamadori in Oregon. Any information would be greatly appreciated in terms of obtaining a permit and general areas which might be good for collecting.

You can get permits for collecting in the National Forest, stop by a ranger station and request one. I am not sure this is true of all NF properties, though.

There are 3 types (that I am aware of):

• Free use
  • 16 plants, 4 of which can be trees as long as they are under 4 ft plus some other regulations
• Personal use
  • $20 minimum charge--price and quantities to be determined when paying
• Commercial use
  • If re-selling. No clue as to the price of this.

There are a few rules to follow (no collecting close to water, trails or roads, don't take more than 1 for every 20 of that type in the area, etc).

Here is a link to a PDF of a USDA pamphlet with details--for some reason it took a long time to load on my laptop, YMMV.

I am unsure what the rules are for collecting on BLM land.

Hope that is helpful.

 

[Kyleboldy2003]

This one didn’t seem to skip a beat(May’23)

Very nice trees what is your after care setup?? I have been wanting to try to collect in Idaho. But The last few trips I have been going to california wyoming and Nevada. send me a message we could chat some more.

 

[Kyleboldy2003]

If it were me, I would wait until spring to dig up these beauties. I collected BC in the fall only a few times before and those trees struggled. Their growth was nowhere near the same as that of those collected later in the spring.

I agree. Even with field growing BC we only really collect them in spring because they thrive. In fall not such great success.

 

[Kyleboldy2003]

Let the fall collection begins!!!
I am interested in seeing how others collect in the fall. For me, the BC collection is pretty much closed. I learned my lesson about collecting them in the fall. Every BC that I collected in late October through November struggle to grow in the following year. I will wait until late December to January when BCs are fully dormant before even thinking about it. Truth be told, I am not planning to collect many trees in 2024. 2023 has been a banner year for me.

Do you ever go collecting with people. Id love to collect some BC.

 

[danvillebonsai]

You can get permits for collecting in the National Forest, stop by a ranger station and request one. I am not sure this is true of all NF properties, though.

There are 3 types (that I am aware of):

• Free use
  • 16 plants, 4 of which can be trees as long as they are under 4 ft plus some other regulations
• Personal use
  • $20 minimum charge--price and quantities to be determined when paying
• Commercial use
  • If re-selling. No clue as to the price of this.

There are a few rules to follow (no collecting close to water, trails or roads, don't take more than 1 for every 20 of that type in the area, etc).

Here is a link to a PDF of a USDA pamphlet with details--for some reason it took a long time to load on my laptop, YMMV.

I am unsure what the rules are for collecting on BLM land.

Hope that is helpful.

This is awesome. Thanks very much!!

 

[PonderingSage:]

You can get permits for collecting in the National Forest, stop by a ranger station and request one. I am not sure this is true of all NF properties, though.

There are 3 types (that I am aware of):

• Free use
  • 16 plants, 4 of which can be trees as long as they are under 4 ft plus some other regulations
• Personal use
  • $20 minimum charge--price and quantities to be determined when paying
• Commercial use
  • If re-selling. No clue as to the price of this.

There are a few rules to follow (no collecting close to water, trails or roads, don't take more than 1 for every 20 of that type in the area, etc).

Here is a link to a PDF of a USDA pamphlet with details--for some reason it took a long time to load on my laptop, YMMV.

I am unsure what the rules are for collecting on BLM land.

Hope that is helpful.

BLM would be the way to go. Try to find desert ridges and buttes where the wind and snow elements exist.
The “field” (You know what I’m talking about? ) north of 20, may have good areas if my memory is correct…but that was 20 yrs ago.

 

[PonderingSage:]

Very nice trees what is your after care setup?? I have been wanting to try to collect in Idaho. But The last few trips I have been going to california wyoming and Nevada. send me a message we could chat some more.

After care is building a tight custom box, using a vertical post, covering soil surface with wood, etc .. to prevent the surface from getting too wet. I mist evert 2 to 4 hours for a minute in summer and a bit less in spring and fall. I also have them in mostly shade.
The best aftercare is not really needing to lean on it so it’s essential to get a tree where the entire pocket lifts out and if not to walk away.
In the Image you can see the wood on the surface and the misters on the thin poles.

 

[Kyleboldy2003]

After care is building a tight custom box, using a vertical post, covering soil surface with wood, etc .. to prevent the surface from getting too wet. I mist evert 2 to 4 hours for a minute in summer and a bit less in spring and fall. I also have them in mostly shade.
The best aftercare is not really needing to lean on it so it’s essential to get a tree where the entire pocket lifts out and if not to walk away.
In the Image you can see the wood on the surface and the misters on the thin poles.

I agree best after care is to not lean on it. I mist junipers every two hours during summer for 2 mins and then about every 6 hours hours fall and spring and protect from wind and put in shade. no freezing roots in the winter. yes your step up looks good. just trying to see what other areas of the country are doing. I collected a lot this year. Hopefully next year I will get out another two times. I like to collect big trees.

 

[I_I_am_not_a_cat]

BLM would be the way to go. Try to find desert ridges and buttes where the wind and snow elements exist.
The “field” (You know what I’m talking about? ) north of 20, may have good areas if my memory is correct…but that was 20 yrs ago.

Ahh, the field. Yes, I have considered heading that way and seeing what might be out there. Just need to figure out the permit process. Thanks for the reminder, Sage.

 

[I_I_am_not_a_cat]

This is awesome. Thanks very much!!

I called the BLM local district office today and they sold me a permit over the phone, which will go in the mail tomorrow. I initially tried the website, and after searching found that not all types of permits are available via online sales, depending on the district you want to collect in. My permit cost $10 and is for up to 20 trees, I specified juniper but am not sure if that is on the permit or if it is more generic.

 

[ShadyStump]

Here permits only get you 2 trees.
If they haven't already been bought out by a big landscape supply corporation.

 

[danvillebonsai]

I called the BLM local district office today and they sold me a permit over the phone, which will go in the mail tomorrow. I initially tried the website, and after searching found that not all types of permits are available via online sales, depending on the district you want to collect in. My permit cost $10 and is for up to 20 trees, I specified juniper but am not sure if that is on the permit or if it is more generic.

Would you mind if I asked which BLM office? Thanks.

 

[Cajunrider]

Yesterday swamp survey showed the beavers did a number on the BCs we planted. So instead of becoming bonsai forests, these now will be planted this weekend.

Three 30 gallon pots full of small BCs.

 

[Cajunrider]

Even though collected at the right time of year and cared for well, this BC budded and grew for a while then regressed and died. The root prune were the same as others but proved to be too much for this tree. Not enough new roots formed to sustain the tree.

 

[Cajunrider]

Even though collected at the right time of year and cared for well, this BC budded and grew for a while then regressed and died. The root prune were the same as others but proved to be too much for this tree. Not enough new roots formed to sustain the tree.
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No matter how hardy the species, every time we collect we will have some risk associated with uprooting a tree and then subject the tree to severe pruning both on top and at the roots.

 

[ShadyStump]

Yes, collecting is an inherently risky proposition. As much as I enjoy it, I've learned to be much more selective, and much more patient about it, but still have only so much luck.

 

[PonderingSage:]

Even though collected at the right time of year and cared for well, this BC budded and grew for a while then regressed and died. The root prune were the same as others but proved to be too much for this tree. Not enough new roots formed to sustain the tree.
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Yeah, stinks!
Thanks for posting this.
I think we need to post some of the trees that don’t make it, so other people don’t get the false assumption that it’s all rainbows and butterflies.

 

[I_I_am_not_a_cat]

Went out to the forest yesterday and found my first trees that were growing in pockets in a boulder and could be removed (mostly) just by picking them up, root pads and all. Just needed to cut a couple of stabilizing roots. One white fir and an unknown deciduous that I will need to wait until spring to ID (unless someone here chimes in).












By the time I got home it was dark and raining, luckily both had root pads that were long and narrow, perfect for this multi-box I had prepped a couple weeks ago.

After putting them in the training box, I placed it on the ground and covered it with leaves since it was getting down to freezing.

 

[BrianBay9]

Went out to the forest yesterday and found my first trees that were growing in pockets in a boulder and could be removed (mostly) just by picking them up, root pads and all. Just needed to cut a couple of stabilizing roots. One white fir and an unknown deciduous that I will need to wait until spring to ID (unless someone here chimes in).

Nice. Success is mostly about choosing the right trees to collect.

 

[W3rk]

Just a small native sweetgum/liquidambar that was growing on the edge of my lawn. Collected this since it has a number of good low buds setting up for next year and a few natural bends. There are others that I have left to grow as they natives and good for the local food web.