John P.
Chumono
I hope this is an act and you’re not really this dim.
Telperion Farm on fire
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I hope this is an act and you’re not really this dim.
hinmo24t
Masterpiece
im being objective actually (what i mentioned are stats) so theres nothing to contest lol
good luck to you, life is good
armetisius
Chumono
I can't even imagine what it must be like. To see your home, your business, your hope and children gone. My heart goes out to them. Love and prayers to all of you affected by this tragedy.
Nybonsai12
Masterpiece
Chill with the politics folks....A man's home and business is lost...
this is terrible.... I can't even wrap my head around what it must be like to have that kind of loss. . Glad they are safe though...
this is terrible.... I can't even wrap my head around what it must be like to have that kind of loss. . Glad they are safe though...
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Could we please refrain from stupid political agruments in a thread where we realize that probably a whole bonsai nursery is lost? Thank you.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Exactly. Sorry, your posts did not load till I hit "post"
hinmo24t
Masterpiece
yes, no problem. i only mentioned some objective-optimism to people saying 2020 is all gloom. then others called me Don and got political w subjectivity, as if hes living in their heads, rent free. i hear you and hope the best for the victims of fires. moving on
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
So sorry to hear this but glad that Kirk and Lisa and family got out ok, I know it's been pretty scary just trying to save people let alone property. Hope the best for them. Prayers for the whole west that is on fire.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
I don't know them, but I can imagine how distressed they are.
A couple of years ago, a guy who was just starting in making bonsai pots as a side activity saw his house burn. I had met him once or twice in bonsai shows, a very nice chap, and when his close friends started an online crowd funding, I gave a few euros. A drop in the ocean, but that did help he and his wife get over it, and rebuild. The insurance helped even more, but our contributions helped them keep their spirits up and gave them the energy to "roll up their sleeves" as we say (I think there must be a similar expression in English).
You know I don't pray, but if I can help...
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sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Trees ain't gone.
They're gonna be dope as shit when this is all over.
Fire damage actuaaaal.
Makes me want to buy one more!
Sorce
They're gonna be dope as shit when this is all over.
Fire damage actuaaaal.
Makes me want to buy one more!
Sorce
Ruddigger
Omono
That’s awful. I’ve been planning a trip up there in a couple weeks, and Telperion was a place I really wanted to go. I hope They can recover from this. Sad times.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Might get lucky indeed. No food for fire, no fire. Maybe only the fringes get singed. But..
Still stinks to see your business go down like that.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
It only "goes down" if we don't think of it as a fresh start.
With any luck, insurance will cover everything and they can still sell the trees.
It'll be a win win if we look at it as such.
People are safe. Next!
Sorce
SantaFeBonsai
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This is crazy!
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
Is there a policy of of preservation of the forests there ?
A real concern for the environment, both on the state side and the federal level ?
I heard that the Darnold Trumpf's government is very concerned by the environment : what has he done to make words into action ? I mean, apart from insulting people and tweeting big, big lies that veterans (suckers as he said) believe...
A real concern for the environment, both on the state side and the federal level ?
I heard that the Darnold Trumpf's government is very concerned by the environment : what has he done to make words into action ? I mean, apart from insulting people and tweeting big, big lies that veterans (suckers as he said) believe...
hinmo24t
Masterpiece
they said not to talk politics in here...but i guess you couldnt resist? resist resist. spoken like a true socialist from the crumbling EU
since you were so audacious after they asked us not to talk politics, and i never did to begin with
you shouldnt be given a free shot without some objectivity to match:
heres from the American Institute of Eco Research, 2019, titled
France Is the Socialist Future We Should Dread:
The French Model
In addition to this difficulty is the fact that while they claim that they are talking about Nordic countries, what Sanders and AOC actually have in mind is a regime more like that of France. When Sweden and Denmark each had in place a regime closer to what Sanders is talking about, the results were so bad that each of these countries put in place pretty dramatic free-market reforms. These two countries are by no means libertarian paradises, but thanks large spending cuts and lower taxes, they aren’t the hot mess that they once were.
France is, though, such a mess. That’s because there is one aspect in particular that the AOCs and Sanderses of the world fail to mention to their followers when they talk about their socialist dream: all of the goodies that they believe the American people are entitled to receive in fact come at a great cost -–and so the only way to pay for these goodies is with oppressive and regressive taxes (i.e., taxes heaped on to the backs of the middle class and the poor).
France was once a role model for what big government can do for its people. But it has become an embarrassing example since “The Gilets Jaunes” took to the streets to demonstrate against the insane amount of taxes they pay. These guys aren’t upper class. They are the people who have until now supported the policies that are inevitable when you have the government providing so many services and involved so deeply in so much of the economy.
Talking about taxes, the WSJ had a good summary of the situation:
The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) released its annual Revenue Statistics report this week, and France topped the charts, with a tax take equal to 46.2% of GDP in 2017. That’s more than Denmark (46%), Sweden (44%) and Germany (37.5%), and far more than the OECD average (34.2%) or the U.S. (27.1%, which includes all levels of government).
France doesn’t collect that revenue in the ways you might think. Despite the stereotype of heavy European income taxes on the rich, Paris relies disproportionately on social-insurance, payroll and property taxes. Social taxes account for 37% of French revenue; the OECD average is 26%. Payroll and property taxes contribute 3% and 9%, compared to the OECD averages of 1% and 6%.
As a reminder, the payroll tax is very regressive; it consumes a larger share of low and middle class earners than rich people. In addition:
Then Europe adds a regressive consumption tax, the value-added tax. In France, VAT and other consumption taxes make up 24% of revenue, and that’s on the low side compared to an OECD average of 33%. Consumption taxes often fall hardest on the poor and middle class, who devote a greater proportion of their income to consumption.
To be sure, the spending is also more regressive in France in that the biggest share goes to the middle and low-income earners. But it is a stupid system in which you tax one group to redistribute to that same group.
Add one more increase to an already high (and regressive) gas tax in France to the existing 214 taxes and duties and the people went nuts. They have been protesting continuously since November 17th, 2018. I don’t condone the violence, but I understand why the protestors are so furious.
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PiñonJ
Omono
Yes, there is, but for many decades, this included the policy of fighting any wildfire to the maximum extent possible. This disrupted a natural cycle whereby regular fires cleared the forest of fuel (underbrush and dense stands of young trees). This allowed massive buildup of fuel in the forests, so now fires are much larger and hotter, which results in the burning of older, more fire-resistant trees. Combine that with record-breaking average temperatures, drought and damage from bark beetles and you see why the West is on fire.
hinmo24t
Masterpiece
well done:
California Looks to Battle Mega Wildfires with Fire
As flames once again rage across the state, officials embrace a counterintuitive firefighting approach
some jeffrey and ponderosa pine talk in there too for the bonsainut in us
PA_Penjing
Chumono
That friggin' sucks. They were a huge part of the scene up there.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
Yes, I'm a social democrat and a convinced EU proponent.
It's hard to explain to someone in a country that was born on a genocide and has apparently no remorse whatsoever. Here in Europe, there were also people who wanted to enslave the others, or even eliminate them. We've come to terms with most of them and that's why we're strong.
You've got the money (?), we've got the values.
Take the Crump vaccine, don't hesitate, buy it now !
