Tell me why native silver maple sucks?

I’m fairly certain the one in the concrete planter is silver as well. I don’t think I have any pictures in leaf, but to my recollection the leaves are the same on all three. Maybe the fact that it’s always outside, not overwintered in the garage, helps with the aged bark. The bark is one of the reasons why I like this one.
 
So I thought I would show some updates to the silver maples I showed in the summer time photos. The pictures will show what they looked like right before the first set of leaves hardened off early spring and the what they look like now showing the beginnings of refinement into a "real" bonsai whatever that is.. the clump has already been repotted for the upcoming growing season the large silver has a larger training pot it will go into next growing season,,, I had to water it wayyyyy to much in the Spaghetti strainer smh20230417_204201.jpg20230417_204445.jpg20230417_205147.jpg20230417_202523.jpg20230417_202305.jpg20230417_202439.jpgreceived_607140471539356.jpegreceived_390266107005566.jpeg
 

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One major plus of the silver is fast development and cold hardiness. I am however aware of issues that are amplified by the species. They rot faster and loose more and bigger branches. And naturally have a shorter lifespan. But, life in a pot changes a tree. With constant renewal of roots and branches, even sunlight equally spread. Who knows.
 
I’m going to move it to a grow box in the spring with some fresh soil and give it some more attention. We will see how it reacts.
 
I have one of those. I've heard the same things and although mine is an acer rubrum, 22 years later, the then 1 year old acer rubrum sapling I pulled out of the ground from a friend's house is still alive. However, the one thing that kept me from taking it forward and developing it was mainly due to the same exact things people around me said to me about it being just awful material. There is a probably some truth to it but to just say it's outright terrible is not entirely true now having traversed down this bonsai path. I still keep it now because it's the one specimen I more or less almost grew from seed and it's been container-grown almost the entirety of its existence. It's now developed this very natural nebari that is my badge of honor for having stuck with this guy.

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Lots of years of just neglecting it and just letting it grow wild. I finally repotted it for the 4th time and gave it a fresh pot of soil last year and hope to take it somewhere!
 
I have one of those. I've heard the same things and although mine is an acer rubrum, 22 years later, the then 1 year old acer rubrum sapling I pulled out of the ground from a friend's house is still alive. However, the one thing that kept me from taking it forward and developing it was mainly due to the same exact things people around me said to me about it being just awful material. There is a probably some truth to it but to just say it's outright terrible is not entirely true now having traversed down this bonsai path. I still keep it now because it's the one specimen I more or less almost grew from seed and it's been container-grown almost the entirety of its existence. It's now developed this very natural nebari that is my badge of honor for having stuck with this guy.

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Lots of years of just neglecting it and just letting it grow wild. I finally repotted it for the 4th time and gave it a fresh pot of soil last year and hope to take it somewhere!
Although we are taking about silver maple I have a handful of red maples I'm developing as well. To be honest most of my silver maples are probably red maple silver crosses of varying degrees because they all seem to display red maple characteristics especially leaf shape. All the true silver maples you see in nursery stock doesn't really display the varying leaf characteristics like wild grown silver maples. At times I've almost new I had a red maple then the silver maple leaf pop's up the next growing season to leave me confused 😕. I've tried everything to discern or Distinguish the two from each other to no good results. Bud shape nope... leaf shape,, big nope.... bark color nope...you could almost Certainly tell the difference when the tree's start to really bark up because silver maple have that Flaky bark that comes off in little strips. But who among use has tree's old enough to see real bark formation besides maybe you..when they are younger Material they might as well be the same tree is how I look at them.
 
I have one of those. I've heard the same things and although mine is an acer rubrum, 22 years later, the then 1 year old acer rubrum sapling I pulled out of the ground from a friend's house is still alive. However, the one thing that kept me from taking it forward and developing it was mainly due to the same exact things people around me said to me about it being just awful material. There is a probably some truth to it but to just say it's outright terrible is not entirely true now having traversed down this bonsai path. I still keep it now because it's the one specimen I more or less almost grew from seed and it's been container-grown almost the entirety of its existence. It's now developed this very natural nebari that is my badge of honor for having stuck with this guy.

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Lots of years of just neglecting it and just letting it grow wild. I finally repotted it for the 4th time and gave it a fresh pot of soil last year and hope to take it somewhere!
Btw amazing base on that little guy!! Please send pictures of it's development on this thread if you don't mind. I think anyone would be proud to developing a root base like that on any type of maple.
 
Although we are taking about silver maple I have a handful of red maples I'm developing as well. To be honest most of my silver maples are probably red maple silver crosses of varying degrees because they all seem to display red maple characteristics especially leaf shape. All the true silver maples you see in nursery stock doesn't really display the varying leaf characteristics like wild grown silver maples. At times I've almost new I had a red maple then the silver maple leaf pop's up the next growing season to leave me confused 😕. I've tried everything to discern or Distinguish the two from each other to no good results. Bud shape nope... leaf shape,, big nope.... bark color nope...you could almost Certainly tell the difference when the tree's start to really bark up because silver maple have that Flaky bark that comes off in little strips. But who among use has tree's old enough to see real bark formation besides maybe you..when they are younger Material they might as well be the same tree is how I look at them.
Yeah, the Red x Silver hybrid maples are quite popular street trees in urban and suburban areas in the midwest. They boast the extra cold hardiness of the silver maple plus the red or orange fall colors from the Red Maple. If you are finding seeds or volunteers in an urban or suburban area, it's very hard to say exactly what it is....but you can still use them for bonsai either way!
 
Silver Maple is characterized by the silver, almost white, undersides of the leaves and the sharp multi-lobed shape of the leaves as key distinguishing features.

Post your photos of the tree in leaf.
 
Internode size would be my greatest concern I think. Bigger leaves and internodes just mean the species would be best suited for larger bonsai, say 3 feet or larger in height.
Just makes the tree harder to handle but if you have friends to help move it around, it could work
 
Keep it going! I don't have any clue as to what degree miniaturization through bonsai cultivation effects the leaf and internode size of this species. I'm not sure how much the density can be improved. I'm not even close to exploring that yet. There are no good examples on the internet and no history. It may not be popular as it is not yet proven. It may not be popular because it doesn't lend itself to bonsai culture like the classics (Trident and Palmatum). I have seen fair examples of Catalpa! Catalpa! Keep us posted.
 
Silver Maple is characterized by the silver, almost white, undersides of the leaves and the sharp multi-lobed shape of the leaves as key distinguishing features.

Post your photos of the tree in leaf.
So I'm pretty sure my tree's are silver maple but they could be crosses with red maple just because of the variation of leaf shape. Most nursery stock silver maples don't have a variation of leaf shape like wild collected silver maples I've been growing. Btw if you look back are the first couple of pages of this post you will see a few of my tree's in leaf I believe.
 
Internode size would be my greatest concern I think. Bigger leaves and internodes just mean the species would be best suited for larger bonsai, say 3 feet or larger in height.
Just makes the tree harder to handle but if you have friends to help move it around, it could work
To me silver maples and red maples pretty much behave the same as far as growth Characteristics. They may grow in different ways like branch structure but how the internodes explode early spring then shorten late summer to less the Centimeters in some cases are same same. Wood is still soft on both tree's and the heal pretty much the same.
 
I have three silver maples. Pictures of two of the three. I’ll pay more attention to these this spring knowing there’s a bit of interest.
 

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