Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
Father's Day usually falls a few days after the Soltice. Often as much as a week.
Summer repotting scots pines?
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Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Father's Day is the 3rd Sunday in June, so it won't be later than the 21st. Using Summer Solstice makes things very tidy.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
If that helps you and you are certainly right what would you like me to do? To make that judgement and setting of a Parameter is akin to suggesting that we do things by the light of the full Moon.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Nah, I'm just trying to help you help your mugo minions.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
And Scotch pine minions. And Jack pine minions.
It turns out all of these are best worked after Fathers day.
The cool thing about Vance's minions is they are learning to take a raw piece of nursery stock and finding the tree within. They are learning that a person doesn't need butt loads of money in order to buy trees that can be turned into a nice bonsai. They are learning 2 needle pine techniques that are for single flush trees. All of this information is shared freely too.
It's actually pretty cool being one of Vance's minions. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
Is there a Father's Day in Slit, Croatia? When is it?
Is there a Father's Day in Santiago, Chile? When is it?
Is there a Father's Day in the The Netherlands? When is it?
Is there a Father's Day in South Africa? When is it?
Is there a Father's Day in Canada? When is it?
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leatherback
The Treedeemer
Would you say that you can also repot pines that were styled in the winter before, if done in summer? I have wired a pine in winter, which I now think, should actually have beeen repotted. Or would you still stick to the "one insult per year" rule for pines?
leatherback
The Treedeemer
3rd sunday in June
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Well so far we know Fathers day is the 3rd Sunday in June in the Netherlands.
You could probably Google the rest.
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
Belgium SECOND sunday in June.
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
Or look it up on Wikipedia.
The third Sunday in June is, indeed, the most common day. It is even on the 3rd Sunday of June in Argentina and in South Africa. But it is on 19 March in Argentina and Croatia, for example.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
I wonder why they are all around the same time? And if they have Father's day they must hAve a Mothers day also.
Pretty cool actually.
I've never used wikipedia. I should try it sometime. Thanks.
Pretty cool actually.
I've never used wikipedia. I should try it sometime. Thanks.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
You are right Fathers Day is kind of a period like St. Michael's Day or something like that. So----as long as I am not being accused of suggesting that we do our work at midnight after the first full moon in June I'm OK with making the statement that you can repot after the Solstice in June, if you live in the Northern Hemisphere and after the Solstice in December if you live in the Southern Hemisphere. This seems logical because the rotation of the Earth and the relation to the Sun changes in the hemispheres. I had never considered that people living in the South would be interested in growing Scots Pines and Mugo Pines. I had always assumed that those people living in Europe would prefer growing these tree according to the practices of the great European masters that actually collect Yamadori to die for, something I will never be able to do. So for better or worse these are my methods which are always changing but mostly stable in the big things.
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leatherback
The Treedeemer
@Vance, good to see you back in this thread. Any thoughts on summer repotting a recently wired pine, see above?
Walter Pall
Masterpiece
I would NEVER repot a mugo pine or Scots pine in June. This means death in Central Europe most probably. I have had more than one thousand mugo and Scots pines. They were all collected. If you as my opinion: only repot from beginning of April t o beginning of May and from end of August to middle of September in areas like Pennsylvania, new England Washington, Colorado etc. In warmer areas a couple weeks earlier and in colder areas a couple weeks later. The mugos shown will have to be potted into good containers soon. I would rather hack a hand off than do that in early summer.
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leatherback
The Treedeemer
Very impressive pines Walter!
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
You have magnificent trees Walter and I would rather hack a hand off than question you.
I have always told people to pay attention to how you and the other European Masters treat this tree. In fact I seem to rember asking one individual, I have been talking to, why he was talking to me, understanding that he lives in Europe. Regardless; I have been repotting Mugos in the heat of the summer here in America for over twenty years. Started out doing this as an observation of how Mugos I worked on in demonstrations seemed to thrive after summer repotting. So now I do it this way. I have personally never lost a tree doing it this way. Maybe it's because I deal with nursery trees? If I had Yamadori would I do it differently? I don't know. If I had the opportunity to collect these trees would I do it in the summer? I don't know. There is always that old feeling that maybe the world is flat and I might fall off if I go there.
I have always told people to pay attention to how you and the other European Masters treat this tree. In fact I seem to rember asking one individual, I have been talking to, why he was talking to me, understanding that he lives in Europe. Regardless; I have been repotting Mugos in the heat of the summer here in America for over twenty years. Started out doing this as an observation of how Mugos I worked on in demonstrations seemed to thrive after summer repotting. So now I do it this way. I have personally never lost a tree doing it this way. Maybe it's because I deal with nursery trees? If I had Yamadori would I do it differently? I don't know. If I had the opportunity to collect these trees would I do it in the summer? I don't know. There is always that old feeling that maybe the world is flat and I might fall off if I go there.
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Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
What kind of Pine are you talking about? My previous post should be read. You live close enough to Walter Pall in his environment and maybe you should do it his way. However I am still curious why you, and a couple of others from Europe, would query me as to how I do Mugos when you are close enough to those who are considered the best in the World? That's fine I have always shared my information freely, and I suppose I could be setting myself up for a World wide trip to the stocks; it's too late to turn back now. The bottom line is with anything; if what you do works for you and you have been doing it for years then don't change what you are doing. The old proverb: If it ain't broke don't fix it applies here.
As far as the one insult per year rule? I have, in my experience, found that I can do as I have described in my writings; that in the summer you can do all sorts of things at the same time. Again this was discovered through demonstrations for local clubs mostly in Michigan. I have styled, which includes wiring, heavy pruning, and repotting all at the same time in the summer. The summer Solstice through September. I know this flys in the face of traditional practice and wisdom but there you go. Personally I gain nothing from people adopting my methods and I have more to lose by coming out of the closet with them, so to speak. If over the years I had said nothing and just kept bumbling along as I always have I would be just about the only person doing Mugo Pines here in America. Every body else kills them.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
As to being gone from the thread? For some reason I don't understand, I don't always get notification of activities on threads I am watching. If I don't see activity, or know of activity, I don't usually find the time to go hunting for the thread.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
This tree is magnificent.
