Species Study - Crataegus aestivalis

Whenever I encounter INLAND cratageus here . They are fencepost-style...

And the bluff ones are almost TOO big/multi-trunked to warrant pulling .. but my eyes are open.

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Did you see some of the multi trunk clump I posted? They are gorgeous!
 
Did you see some of the multi trunk clump I posted? They are gorgeous!
Si! Estoy de acuerdo!

The OTHER problem is .. the DECENT, multi-trunk clumps... Seem to be necessary to the SCENIC landscape of the areas I visit AS WELL as staples of dune erosion combat...

It's hard for me to pull visually and ecologically IMPORTANT trees.... It never seemed... 'right'...

But I WANT one ... So I'll keep looking for that perfect one.

Buscando un arbol Perfecto...
 
Usually you see little indicators in the main trunk, as above...
on the subject of Cratagus here's two root cuttings that had entangled themselves together and then began growing closer in the grow bed, eventually forming one, will always be tall tale signs in the trunk if you know what to look for
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Beautiful tree.
 
For the sake of completeness, I decided to collect some in the fall. These three were chopped 5 weeks ago. They were collected earlier today with 18” diameter x 7” deep root ball and all new foliage preserved. They are planted into a shallow grow bed.
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Collected 2 more today. Once again I retained intact root-balls about 18” dia x 10” deep then planted them in an above ground grow bed. The 3 I collected last week are doing well.

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This weekend I did a health assessment of the Mayhaw I collected. All of them were potted with the same high organic potting soil and are watered on the same schedule.
The 15 trees that are all in a 4'x 8' grow box with 10" of soil are very healthy and growing well. I suppose this is no different than growing in their natural settings.
The 8 trees that are shallow grow boxes or pots are doing OK. They suffered some in the summer heat but are recovering well in the cool weather of the fall.
The 12 trees that are in pond baskets are doing poorly. 4 died in the summer heat. They are recovering in the cool weather of the fall but I now wonder if I should go ahead and put them in pots instead. It appears that the roots dry out too much in the basket for Mayhaw.

I feel good. The Mayhaw grove at the farm should look good in the spring after being thinned out and fertilized plus I now have 30+ trees to play with.
 
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While preparing the trees for wintering yesterday, I noted the growth on the collected trees. Mayhaws don't grow quite as quick as bald cypress but the growth rate is still very good. I believe a lot of those uninteresting chopped trunk can be developed to nice bonsai in 5-7 years. For some of them the chops were quite high. Next year when the roots are fully established and the trees healthy, I will chop some of them quite a bit lower to establish better taper. The next few years are going to be interesting. I have 1.5 years in zone 9a to develop them. The plan is to place them in pots in the spring of 2024. Then they will be moved to zone 6a.
 
Is you plan to grow out sub-trunks in the ground? Or are you looking to build single trunks? I guess that mostly depends on what the tree is presenting…Then later come in and bare-root and do root work?
I was planning to put this springs collected hawthorn in the ground this spring(bare-rooted upon collection)
30 project trees to work with sounds like a good way to steepen the learning curve.
Nice work!
 
Is you plan to grow out sub-trunks in the ground? Or are you looking to build single trunks? I guess that mostly depends on what the tree is presenting…Then later come in and bare-root and do root work?
I was planning to put this springs collected hawthorn in the ground this spring(bare-rooted upon collection)
30 project trees to work with sounds like a good way to steepen the learning curve.
Nice work!
Since I have a few, I will do them all depending on what each tree shows me. All the trees have had severe root prune so perhaps the only thing left to do is root graft to build nebari at the bare spots. Given the propensity of the species to sprout roots, even that may not be necessary. Next year when I pot some of them up, I will closely examine the roots.
 
One week into December and it has been relatively warm during the day and cool but not cold at night. All Mayhaw in pots or basket have slowed down and started to shed leaves. However, the ones in the big grow bed are still pushing new growth.

At the farm, all the trees with mature branches are dropping leaves as well. However, the few that have been chopped recently are still pushing growth, much like the ones in my big grow bed.
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This past few days I carved a bunch of them. We’ll see how they pan out. There will be multiple angle photo on progression threads of certain individual trees. Note that some of the carving are on rather tall trees. Those are just practice. I might chop the trees lower later.
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Today I visited the Mayhaw grove where I dug all my collected trees. The whole grove is flowering heavily. Yet none of my collected tree have any. I know that, at bud formation time, Mayhaw will decide whether the buds will be flowers or new branches. Right now the collected trees need vegetation growth so all the buds I see are turning into new branches.
 
Today I visited the Mayhaw grove where I dug all my collected trees. The whole grove is flowering heavily. Yet none of my collected tree have any. I know that, at bud formation time, Mayhaw will decide whether the buds will be flowers or new branches. Right now the collected trees need vegetation growth so all the buds I see are turning into new branches.
Would enjoy seeing a picture of them in flower!
 
Collected 2 trees and a clump. All planted in a mix of screened NAPA DE, SafeT Sorb, pine bark, and perlite.
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9 months later under the same care and watering 50% of those placed in pond basket have died. Those that are now alive were saved when I buried the baskets into a bed of pine bark when I saw that the trees were struggling. I lost 10 large trees that way. The trees all have long running roots with few feeders near the trunk. When they were collected the trees have to generate new roots from energy reserve in the trunk. Those in the basket struggled to grow new roots. Postmortem examination showed that the roots formed dried out. Trees in pots and tubs are much healthier. That was a hard lesson.

I will be repotting all those in baskets that are still alive soon before the hot weather comes.
 
9 months later under the same care and watering 50% of those placed in pond basket have died. Those that are now alive were saved when I buried the baskets into a bed of pine bark when I saw that the trees were struggling. I lost 10 large trees that way. The trees all have long running roots with few feeders near the trunk. When they were collected the trees have to generate new roots from energy reserve in the trunk. Those in the basket struggled to grow new roots. Postmortem examination showed that the roots formed dried out. Trees in pots and tubs are much healthier. That was a hard lesson.

I will be repotting all those in baskets that are still alive soon before the hot weather comes.
Sorry to hear that, but at least you are learning what not to do! I guess it makes sense for species that naturally grow in a wet soil - something with lots of aeration like a pond basket may lead to not enough water and too much oxygen. I wonder if American Hornbeam are similar in this regard as they usually grow near creek beds or low-lying wet areas.
 
Sorry to hear that, but at least you are learning what not to do! I guess it makes sense for species that naturally grow in a wet soil - something with lots of aeration like a pond basket may lead to not enough water and too much oxygen. I wonder if American Hornbeam are similar in this regard as they usually grow near creek beds or low-lying wet areas.
So far I've found that Mayhaw are very under appreciated. People are seeking for other species of hawthorn yet the May hawthorn is pretty much ignored even though it has all the desired attributes. It doesn't matter to me. I have a few specimen that are truly worthy of being great bonsai. The next 5 years will tell.
 
9 months later under the same care and watering 50% of those placed in pond basket have died. Those that are now alive were saved when I buried the baskets into a bed of pine bark when I saw that the trees were struggling. I lost 10 large trees that way. The trees all have long running roots with few feeders near the trunk. When they were collected the trees have to generate new roots from energy reserve in the trunk. Those in the basket struggled to grow new roots. Postmortem examination showed that the roots formed dried out. Trees in pots and tubs are much healthier. That was a hard lesson.

I will be repotting all those in baskets that are still alive soon before the hot weather comes.
The. Substrate and pot and ambient conditions . Dictate watering schedule. There are those that don’t like DE . For multiple reasons . But that’s a different discussion . In all honesty I can not see how . The same water schedule can be used .for trees in a very high concentration organic mix . That retains a lot of water . And the 3 part mix you used . Plus the pond basket adds a further drying element . Coarse soil promotes oxygenated substrate . But requires more frequent watering . As you know . Pond baskets were first used ( in bonsai ) by amateurs in Japan growing shohin and mane trees . To develop established trees where they could water and fertilize heavily . Tree nurseries use mostly organic soil . Because it’s cheap and requires less labour to make and less labour to water . All about cost .
 
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