rnlabarnes 6yr JBP Contest Thread Entry

JBP do well in the sun, not so well in shade! I gather from your comments that your sun and or heat is extreme at this point! Or you are wishing to adapt them slowly from inside to outside? I moved my seedlings out to full sun all day within 14 weeks. I am in a full sun southern exposure temperatures range 70-90 F during the day in my location. Florida location i am not familiar with what are your temperatures like this time of year?


These have been root pruned. The rest of them are in full sun right now.. I'm reading everywhere that once you make them a cutting they should stay in the shade.. I'm just wondering what kind of shade... is inside shade good with indirect window light..
 
These have been root pruned. The rest of them are in full sun right now.. I'm reading everywhere that once you make them a cutting they should stay in the shade.. I'm just wondering what kind of shade... is inside shade good with indirect window light..

Sun aids the recovery as long as they do not dry out with more exposure!
Better light means better photosynthesis in the needles. The key will be how you are able to keep them watered in your circumstances. If the more protected inside location is easier to keep the cuttings from drying out then that may be best for you. I put mine out in the sun but protected from the wind. All of my pines have been developed using the radial cutting method except one batch of JRP done in 2010. I had just a few of those special seeds and wanted to be extra careful as they were a gift from my teacher. I am working with automated spray stakes on a low pressure irrigation system for the seedlings and also my Bonsai grow beds and benches. If you are not available to water or mist the cuttings regularily then shade may be required, but the progress will be slower.
 
Sun aids the recovery as long as they do not dry out with more exposure!
Better light means better photosynthesis in the needles. The key will be how you are able to keep them watered in your circumstances. If the more protected inside location is easier to keep the cuttings from drying out then that may be best for you. I put mine out in the sun but protected from the wind. All of my pines have been developed using the radial cutting method except one batch of JRP done in 2010. I had just a few of those special seeds and wanted to be extra careful as they were a gift from my teacher. I am working with automated spray stakes on a low pressure irrigation system for the seedlings and also my Bonsai grow beds and benches. If you are not available to water or mist the cuttings regularily then shade may be required, but the progress will be slower.


My fishing season is over so I have more time on my hands. I currently have over 200 tropical trees (pre-bonsai but mostly seedlings) growing so it takes up a lot of my time. We have a lot of wind here so that's a big concern as well and torrential rain storms in the middle of the night. Most of my plants are underneath my over hanging deck. Everything gets about 4-6 hours of sun a day.
If putting them in the sun will help then I have time to water. I just thought the sun was bad for them at that stage but I'm new at this so just trying to learn from all of you..
 
My fishing season is over so I have more time on my hands. I currently have over 200 tropical trees (pre-bonsai but mostly seedlings) growing so it takes up a lot of my time. We have a lot of wind here so that's a big concern as well and torrential rain storms in the middle of the night. Most of my plants are underneath my over hanging deck. Everything gets about 4-6 hours of sun a day.
If putting them in the sun will help then I have time to water. I just thought the sun was bad for them at that stage but I'm new at this so just trying to learn from all of you..
Our fishing season ( recreational ) is well under way. Next week I will be Salmon fishing on the west coast near Bamfield BC. Which is at the base of the Alberni Inlet. In August we traditionally head up to Rivers Inlet for a week or so with the boat. Pines love the sun and also " dry feet". So it is always important that they not sit in saturated soil. As mentioned before Pine Cuttings need to stay moist and cannot dry out when producing new roots. I have had the best success with radial cutting when i have done them just as the second set of needles are extended. Also, smaller particle size around the cut stem ensures better contact with moisture while the new roots are forming. Air movement really help to limit dampening off, however too much wind dries the soil out too fast.
Here is a couple pictures of my two favourite hobbies! The first is a picture of my son with a steelhead, i introduced him to fly fishing as a boy! The second is a group of four year old JBP from seed, he introduced me to Bonsai.
 

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Im a professional Fly fishing guide in the Florida Keys, I have been for 23 years... my busy season is over (Tarpon season) but still good fishing to be had. Business just slows down because it so hot. We would be best friends, bonsai and fishing!

Didnt mean to hijack thread with fishing pictures!

anyways, I moved the BJP cuttings outside in the sun. They will get about 6 hours of sun in the am.. Hope thats good enough! Thanks for all your input and help!
 

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Im a professional Fly fishing guide in the Florida Keys, I have been for 23 years... my busy season is over (Tarpon season) but still good fishing to be had. Business just slows down because it so hot. We would be best friends, bonsai and fishing!

Didnt mean to hijack thread with fishing pictures!

anyways, I moved the BJP cuttings outside in the sun. They will get about 6 hours of sun in the am.. Hope thats good enough! Thanks for all your input and help!
Love the fish!
This could go viral! I Better stick to Bonsai. I Better stick to Bonsai. Let's see do i have a fish picture that includes a tree? "Sage" is a plant that could be a tree that might be a rod or reel, right! And Fly Tying is similar to wiring;). When i get to my other computer i will PM you a couple of snaps that depict my other addiction. It is all my grandfathers fault. He took me out with his split bamboo fly rod to a small creek in the interior from age four onward. There you go i use bamboo chopsticks every day in Bonsai.
 
I also have fished in the gulf offshore my whole life. This is something ive picked up since kids.

Back to the progress. Here are some current pictures. Just got fertilized again this morning. Hopefully i didnt go to heavy.

The baby pine area. Had some dye back as i went out of town for a few days a month ago.
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The grow box. cant remeber which back, would have to look back in this thread.
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I also have fished in the gulf offshore my whole life. This is something ive picked up since kids.

Back to the progress. Here are some current pictures. Just got fertilized again this morning. Hopefully i didnt go to heavy.

The baby pine area. Had some dye back as i went out of town for a few days a month ago.
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The grow box. cant remeber which back, would have to look back in this thread.
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Black pine seedling cutting.
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some more.
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Things are looking great, good work!
 
thank you. Took forever to fertilize everything this morning. Added new bags to everything and piles on the seedlings.
 
pines are doing good except for some dieback and this white crap that has gotten on a few including my largest.

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any recommendations?
 
pines are doing good except for some dieback and this white crap that has gotten on a few including my largest.

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any recommendations?
Looks like it might be residual from foliar spray of some type! Other than that a type of mold or mildew from too much moisture , not enough air movement.
pines are doing good except for some dieback and this white crap that has gotten on a few including my largest.

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I agree the pictures are difficult to pick out something clearly. My best guess is it could be some residue from foliar spray or water deposit from overhead mist type watering. How much air movement in the area? Is the watering early in the day to allow drying out periods between. The needles seem on the lighter to yellower range rather than dark green. pines do best when they dry out partially between watering. This can be difficult with spray systems. Perhaps experiment with the timing and duration of watering. Another contributing factor could be the water hardness.
basically they look like they are being overwatered to me.
 
they might be. I moved to a mist system in June as my backyard is needing a lot of water in the mornings. The mist system comes on at 5:30 for about 10 min. I might move the sprayers off my pines and start hand watering them again. I do think my water is a little hard also.

My drainage on some is starting to suck (noticed this, this weekend when giving them some fish). Probably to much ferts being dumped on soil then sinking into the soil with our hard rains. Cant wait till they are in larger pots so I can use the tea bags. Will probably see what makes it through the winter then pot up half of my best ones into 6" colanders or terracotta pots.
 
Looks like it might be residual from foliar spray of some type! Other than that a type of mold or mildew from too much moisture , not enough air movement.

I agree the pictures are difficult to pick out something clearly. My best guess is it could be some residue from foliar spray or water deposit from overhead mist type watering. How much air movement in the area? Is the watering early in the day to allow drying out periods between. The needles seem on the lighter to yellower range rather than dark green. pines do best when they dry out partially between watering. This can be difficult with spray systems. Perhaps experiment with the timing and duration of watering. Another contributing factor could be the water hardness.
basically they look like they are being overwatered to me.

Forgot to thank you for your time and response Frank! Thank you!
 
Did my first culling getting things cleaned up this weekend for winter. Decided to get rid of the box of JBP seedling cuttings. Was really surprised at the root systems. Pretty impressive really. Now I understand the reason for cutting. These roots are completely different than seedlings that did not get cut.

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Did my first culling getting things cleaned up this weekend for winter. Decided to get rid of the box of JBP seedling cuttings. Was really surprised at the root systems. Pretty impressive really. Now I understand the reason for cutting. These roots are completely different than seedlings that did not get cut.

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That's so awesome!! I have like 3 survivors that I root pruned. Hopefully they look like that.
 
Here is an update on mine. Overall they have slowed down a bit. Just starting to cool a little. I definitely have some yellowing with all the rain we have been getting. Might try and prop up on angle also to help with drainage.

I have noticed that the soil seems to be clogging with all the loose ferts over the year. A month ago, I switched to small tea bags for the ferts. They do decay a little but still keep most of the ferts in one place even after the bag decays.

Here are a couple shots of what I have left.

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Here is my largest tree that's been the biggest of the groups all year. There are several photos of this one this year in previous threads.

This one got some fungus or something earlier this year but it seams to be getting back to good health.

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Backbuds.

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Here are some shots of seedling cuttings. These have grown a lot this year also. Most are loaded with lower buds or branches. Most, if not all will be repotted in spring, possibly bare rooted (still trying to figure out bare rooting is going to set me back, might just do half) and potted up in different types of pots (pond baskets, clay, plastic, etc).

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Look at this extension!

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