Randy knight

Not a stupid question, just one that seems to bother you and it should.

My first "real" bonsai was purchased for $400 in 1989 from Chase Rosade. It was an imported Korean hornbeam. My wife knew how much I paid for it, told me she would fight tooth and nail if I tried to get another if it died. Sometimes buying a $1,000 tree when you have two years of bonsai experience can REALLLY REAAALLLLY motivate you to learn as much as you can in a short time. It can also lead to a dead tree and a lot of regret.

Working on old collected trees isn't really for relative newcomers. It takes a bit of know how. They don't behave like nursery trees, or even most specialized bonsai stock. A simple mistake on a trident maple's root zone is no big deal. The same mistake on a ponderosa can kill it outright. Simply wiring a ponderosa can damage its roots to such an extent it dies--even tiny movements of the rootball in the pot can rub off brittle feeder roots,--knowing how to secure the root mass with jacks, bungee cords, etc. isn't usually brought up in books or online vids. Each species has its set of quirks, which can become more exaggerated the older they get.

For instance, if you don't have soil that looks and drains like gravel, you're going to have a dead ponderosa mostly. Overfertilize it and you have a mess, OR a dead tree...Even if you've managed to get most of the borers out it after you get it.

Think about this purchase very carefully, ESPECIALLY if you're going for a very expensive older tree. Such a tree deserves someone with the know how to keep it alive and make it look its best. You are taking on a life, not just an object...
 
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Actually, you can probably buy collected material from Ryan Neil, contact him, every merchant is happy to have a sales inquiry. A fellow club member bought a beautiful wicked pine from Ryan.

Andy Smith of Golden Arrow Bonsai is a great supplier and a real gentleman. You can do business with Andy with confidence.

However, as stated earlier, one should be experienced enough to keep it in good shape.
 
I dream with buying or collecting a tree like those guys sell... but pines and junipers aren't native down here, and regulations prohibit it.

If I were you, and your a set on an old yamadori tree I would get one of their cheaper younger ones and see how you go for a couple of years.
 
I am in Birmingham Alabama. I called nature way and he will not mail. When I called nature way today, I was told that Randy could mail me a tree but he didn't have his email and wouldn't give me his phone number.
Another thing to consider is your location. When I lived in MA, I kept collected specimens of RMJ, Ponderosa pine, and Lodgepole pine for several years and they all grew well there. I moved to N GA 6 years ago, bringing the RMJs, the lodgepoles, and one Ponderosa...I left the others behind as I heard that Ponderosas didn't grow well in the SE. Well, since I moved, I've lost all the collected pines...they weakened over several seasons, developing fungal issues and losing branches sporadically until they finally went belly up. The RMJs do fairly well, though they don't seem to be as vigorous here in GA, and they are definitely prone to fungal disease, like tip blight and cedar apple rust, along with spider mites...fwiw.
 
I have only been doing bonsai for a couple of years M. Fary. I am not sure what else to say about your post but I think it's stupid

I just put in my signature. And this is the first post i read. Interesting.

Feller put Rebo instead of Reno for his location once.
Maybe your age is wrong. Supposed to be 14?

Or maybe Mike edited out something that was stupid? No.

?

Sorce
 
I never thought I would reply to this post, but when you click on "view all new" you see it all I guess. I haven't been here all that long, but even I can see the writing on the wall.

"Lewiscarnes" if you simply want a Bonsai to display and don't want to do the work, then just say that. Nothing wrong with that, but that means you are a collector of art, not a practitioner of art. This site is for people that are practitioner's of the Bonsai art, hence why you perhaps are getting the replies you are now. Nothing wrong with that, but simply be clear about your intentions is all. Plus when you reply back telling someone they are stupid for nothing more than an honest question, then that will have people wondering your intentions as well. Because that person "M.Frary" which you in fact questioned his intelligence because of his simple question, is actually one of the most helpful people on this site, I (and others I'm sure) have found.

What it boils down to is this. Be honest with what you want here. Are you just wanting to "collect" a great old tree to display as art? then cool, do it. But are you a guy like me that has just been into bonsai for a few years and still learning yet loves the great look of an old collected tree? if so then don't do that tree disservice by trying to own it. Read, participate, learn, practice, and go from there.

We now return to to your regularly scheduled program...or at least till sorce says something else that cracks me up when I read it lol ;)
 
This site is for people that are practitioner's of the Bonsai art,

This may seem true.
But honestly, this site is for all.
And "collectors of art" people, not to be confused with DanW's and tree collectors, are more NUTS than us practitioners.

Nothing funny, but, I almost missed Smokes post cuz I posted at the same time at 11:41. That is funny!

Sorce
 
Let's try again shall we Lewis?
I only asked how long you have been doing bonsai because I was going to give you advice like Dave,Augustine and Rock.
These collected pieces are very different than something you can get at most bonsai nurseries or regular nurseries. They have lived on the edge,literally and figurarively their whole life. They eke out an existence in harsh conditions with little roots. Once dug up and brought down from the mountain the aftercare is long and specialized.
I collect trees and to tell you the truth I imagine I would be frozen in fear for a while if I ever had one of these trees in front of me for the first time. Just think of the responsibility. This tree may have been alive at the same time John Hancock was signing the Declaration of Independence.
If you really want one they can be had at Bonsai Mirai. I just looked at the website. Great trees to be had for sure.
Good luck.
And don't let us drive you away. A few members are crotchety,cranky pants. But there is great advice and people on this forum.
 
I never thought I would reply to this post, but when you click on "view all new" you see it all I guess. I haven't been here all that long, but even I can see the writing on the wall.

"Lewiscarnes" if you simply want a Bonsai to display and don't want to do the work, then just say that. Nothing wrong with that, but that means you are a collector of art, not a practitioner of art. This site is for people that are practitioner's of the Bonsai art, hence why you perhaps are getting the replies you are now. Nothing wrong with that, but simply be clear about your intentions is all. Plus when you reply back telling someone they are stupid for nothing more than an honest question, then that will have people wondering your intentions as well. Because that person "M.Frary" which you in fact questioned his intelligence because of his simple question, is actually one of the most helpful people on this site, I (and others I'm sure) have found.

What it boils down to is this. Be honest with what you want here. Are you just wanting to "collect" a great old tree to display as art? then cool, do it. But are you a guy like me that has just been into bonsai for a few years and still learning yet loves the great look of an old collected tree? if so then don't do that tree disservice by trying to own it. Read, participate, learn, practice, and go from there.
I always thought this site was for peple who love bonsai...
But seriously, if you get a nice yamadori and help from someone who knows what he is doing to teach you how to take care of it and style it, there is nothing wrong with that. Why should we all have to start with box store things and learn everything on our own?
If you can get someone to teach you how you will learn a lot more a lot faster and it will be more fun with decent material.
 
Because that person "M.Frary" which you in fact questioned his intelligence because of his simple question, is actually one of the most helpful people on this site, I (and others I'm sure) have found.

You trying to kill him! His head might explode.
Very generous of you Frary. Seriously.
 
Smokes avatar! Is he a golfer? Is he a comedian? Is he a bonsai guy? Does he love sticks in pots?
A man of many talents!

I was going to note that the other day, but you know, I can't be accused of blowing Smoke again.

Who's quote is that? "Sarcasm is the bodies defense against stupid" I love that. Some people just don't get it.
(you DON'T know who you are!) lol.

I remember a time when M.Frary put an apology out there, made me do the same, and my BNUT experience has been better for it.

Peace!

Sorce
 
I got an answer to my original question with a IM. Thanks you all for the info on golden arrow, I ordered a tree from them yesterday as well. I am also going to call the people in Chicago to see if they will ship. If anybody wants a 30 year old procumbems juniper, Plant city USA has some really cool trees. I was in North Georgia yesterday on business and drove to his shop before coming home last night. I was really shocked when I paid for the tree, it was only 100 bucks. He also sells the tokoname grow pots. I am not sure why but for me tokoname grow pots have been extremely hard to find.
 
Steve at Plant City has had those procumbens forever and a day. We at the Atlanta Bonsai Society used a few as demo trees when Ryan Neil was in town...very good stock. So, what did you get from Andy? I love his stock but have never purchased from him.
 
Nice buy. Good luck and come back with any questions.
 
I got a small cascade needle juniper. I really wanted to get a rocky man juniper but I don't think it will do well in Alabama. the gentleman at golden arrow will send you pictures if you tell him what you are interested in and has a few on his website. I don't have the tree in my hands yet but from what everybody says I want be disappointed. My brother is a Arborist in Atlanta and gives Bonsai away at conventions and to special customers. He is the one that got me addicted to Bonsai a couple of years ago. He has always purchased the trees to give away from Mike at Full Moon in Marietta. Mike is always willing to help me with stuff. I came to your auction a month ago or so and I wish you did more of them. You probably already know about New England bonsai as well. If you haven't they have some awesome trees. I only wish growing them from seed is as easy as it looks in the Pine from seed article in Bonsai Today Masters' Series Pines book.
 
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