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TinyArt said:
Here's another angle to consider: "Long COVID," the deal where it gets hold of you and just keeps on kicking the crap out of you -- not killing you, just taking a wrecking ball to your daily health & well-being (& career, education, social world).

Guess how much fun that will be. Trying your damnedest to go on having a life, and earn a living, and have people you love understand instead of telling you to change your attitude, or take up running.... Discovering who drops you because you can't keep up. Finding out just what a joy it is to apply for SSD.

Does it sound like I have a clue? I do, and the virus I have is TAME by comparison. Am I getting the jabs? YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS. There's enough data, now, to show that I'm likely to have the same passing symptoms as, say, my 93-year-old parent -- for about a week, vs. the two days she experienced.

---Now I've got Contest Winners to water. You'd all better BE here to do the cryin' in a few years when I sweep the categories. ❤️❤️❤️
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I am sorry to hear about your long term health issues.
I hate getting shots, I really do but the potential alternative is a lot worse
 
It's difficult for some people to reconcile that the same people who insist that all Americans wear masks/get vaccinated don't notice that the illegal migrants streaming across the Mexican border are broadcast throughout the land without testing or vaccination. You can't fly in, but you can walk in. There seems to be an inconsistency of purpose. Morals of convenience abound.

The purpose of the CCP is clear: weaken the western world with their Wuhan lab "accident". An act of war against the world that will embolden them to take another step. What goes around, comes around. It will be repeated by Islamists, sooner or later and the CCP will not be able to respond when the shoe is on the other foot.
 
If you're relatively young and healthy, without known comorbidities and you take steps everyday to keep a strong immune system (bowel tolerance levels Vit C, with Zinc, Quercetin, high levels Vit D, plus some Vit A, B6 and B12....maybe some omega3s and turmeric and such for anti-inflammatory purposes) then you're fine.

If you have known comorbidities or are in the "of a certain age" category, then get the vaccine and pray that this experiment goes well....because you're now a government/big pharmaceutical complex guinea pig......which may be a good thing for you. I hope it is.
 
This is just like everything else you eat or put into your body. There are people that don't have an issue with anything in their entire life, then there are the ones that are allergic to the most harmless things on Earth. There are people that can die if they eat shellfish, peanuts, get stung by a bee, etc... Vaccines are proven to lessen the degree a virus wreaking havoc on your body and killing you. But like everything else, there are people that will have a serious reaction to them. Am I going to not get the shot because of "what if" it kills me? The way I see it is, if the shot made you sick, it's almost certain the virus would have killed you.

I was the first one to get the vaccine from my family, I got no side effects, my middle sister and my mother didn't have any as well, but my younger sister got severe "flu like" symptoms for 2 days. I think the risk of getting sick from the vaccine is lesser than contracting the virus.
 
Hydraquinone minimizes symptoms when used in time, but it's cheap and available. If there is no treatment available, then a vaccine that otherwise does not meet regular standards but works pretty well can have emergency approval and providers can make billions. Approval for Hydraquinone means no emergency approval for the vaccines meaning no $billions in profits for vaccine makers. Too bad the American system doesn't allow for accommodations where all of the above is allowed and $billions could still be made and just spread around a little.
 
You know what I think. Bonsai is absolutely a fine art, given the opportunity to bend the rules to fit the given intentions of the artist. And bonsai as a term is fine in my opinion and does not require the term to be updated to fit anyone’s Americanized standards. Just figured I’d give my 2 cents considering this is a general discussion thread.

oh and follow my YouTube page for tips on propagating maples. and Nigel Saunders is a real fraud.

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Vaccines only snuff out diseases if enough people take them. It's not just a personal choice. Anyone who chooses not to get a vaccine for something highly transmissible like this because "it's my body!" is putting their own desires above that of society. It is selfish, plain and simple.

I don't like putting random things in my body either, esp. something under an emergency authorization that gives more money to big pharma. But guess what, it is indisputably the best action for society right now, esp. for those among us who _cannot_ physically take a vaccine due to compromised immune systems. So I suck it up and do my part. End of story.
 
just.wing.it said:
keep a strong immune system (bowel tolerance levels Vit C, with Zinc, Quercetin, high levels Vit D, plus some Vit A, B6 and B12....maybe some omega3s and turmeric and such for anti-inflammatory purposes) then you're fine.
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This works until it doesn't. Its all good, I have been taking all of these and many more for several years. I take supplements that most people have never even heard of. I spend more on supplements than I do on food and clothes. I think it has helped me immensely. Still, it didn't spare me from two bouts of Lyme Disease, and that's not even a huge social issue.
Hell yeah, I got my vaccinations, but I got them more for you than I did for me. If you don't get this, ................, well, you just don't get it.
 
I will never forget FaceTime with my mother in law before they pulled the ventilator off her. That will forever be burnt into my brain. Our saying goodbye.

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That alone was reason for me to take the vaccine. It is a personal choice... I am so sick of ones beating this drum.


I know a family who buried their 18 and 23 year old sons to covid... I know many who buried their loved ones...we lost more to Covid in our family than just my mother in law. Then extended families...

Don't tell me to do research...when our numbers to covid loss far outweighed the risk of a vaccine.

This topic does NOT belong on the main forum area. It has nothing to do with bonsai.

@Bonsai Nut please move this to the tea house.
 
andrewiles said:
Vaccines only snuff out diseases if enough people take them. It's not just a personal choice. Anyone who chooses not to get a vaccine for something highly transmissible like this because "it's my body!" is putting their own desires above that of society. It is selfish, plain and simple.

I don't like putting random things in my body either, esp. something under an emergency authorization that gives more money to big pharma. But guess what, it is indisputably the best action for society right now, esp. for those among us who _cannot_ physically take a vaccine due to compromised immune systems. So I suck it up and do my part. End of story.
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very sorry to those sick from covid-19

slippery slope to socialism. have to be careful with what you put forward. a lot of people would rather die and risk others getting sick to die free, which i can respect. i got the vaccine, but dont think it should be mandated whatsoever.

big pharma isnt ideal, but im thankful for the options and put more blame and whatnot on people's decisions and problems, not an industry. have to refocus the conversation to call out losers and addicts for their conditions, generally. firm believer in personal responsibility, and i used to snort adderol (diet coke) daily keep in mind, and i wasnt prescribed it.

one in every ten kids might have that methamphetamine i used to snort btw in the USA
it was as good as the real soda if not better
https://www.reynoldsclinic.com/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd/

i dont blame doctors or an industry for the above paragraph, i blame parents and cheap character
 
Cadillactaste said:
I will never forget FaceTime with my mother in law before they pulled the ventilator off her. That will forever be burnt into my brain. Our saying goodbye.

😭

That alone was reason for me to take the vaccine. It is a personal choice... I am so sick of ones beating this drum.


I know a family who buried their 18 and 23 year old sons to covid... I know many who buried their loved ones...we lost more to Covid in our family than just my mother in law. Then extended families...

Don't tell me to do research...when our numbers to covid loss far outweighed the risk of a vaccine.

This topic does NOT belong on the main forum area. It has nothing to do with bonsai.

@Bonsai Nut please move this to the tea house.
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I’m so sorry for your losses. I’m glad you continue coming to this forum and sharing your passion. I for one know Bonsai is my escape from the daily grind and stresses of the day. Your photos of beautiful trees are always a welcome site.
 
Wood said:
Yeah man, wouldn't want those government regulations holding back our industries from, y'know, jacking up the price of 100-year-old technologies like insulin...
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i am very anti gov, and am not disagreeing with your point. i was making a broad statement about how we as a society need to put more value on family and not blaming everything else for problems of our own
 
Forsoothe! said:
Hydraquinone minimizes symptoms when used in time, but it's cheap and available.
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Show the numbers.
Oh wait. You do not have to. I will
www.who.int

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Solidarity Trial and hydroxychloroquine

www.who.int www.who.int
"Data from Solidarity (including the French Discovery trial data) and the recently announced results from the UK's Recovery trial both showed that hydroxychloroquine does not result in the reduction of mortality of hospitalised COVID-19 patients, when compared with standard of care."

Now take your nose out of your * and do what @sorce suggested. Do your research. There is no properly set up trial that shows this stuff works. Put it in the same line as snorting chlorine, which I think was suggested by the same orange source.
 
I'd hide out for another 3 years if it meant finding the preexisting things that may cause suffering like that young ladies.

Ivermectin. That's the cure. The safe cure. The late Cure.

Sorce
 
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