Peter Warren on Soil Health.

[fredman]

Pfeeeu, I feel like the proverbial nematode out the organic soil, between all you informed literates
All good though...some won't go over my head. I guess i'll just add my 1c at a time
Fantastic information so far. Thank you...
Yeah i've been having this idea of doing bonsai 'organically' for some time...while also trying to be realistic about it. Reality is, the idea is still very much just that...an idea....shot in the dark...BUT, the right steps towards it is being made, and that is highly encouraging for me.
An ideal organic ground soil has a perfectly balanced population of micro life, sustaining itself (that took a long time)...similar to a self sustaining eco system that this earth had before man interfered.
To get that perfect biodiversity going, and sustained in a bonsai pot, is virtually impossible (to use the strongest term) by my reconing. The best we can do is try I guess. There is enough evidence out there of people feeding only organic fertilizer, and getting good results. That says to me that nature is willing to compromise, if we're interested in meeting it halfway.
I have a organic recipe that i'll be making cakes with this year, and boy am I excited to get going and see what feedback I get from the trees.
Rape seed meal
Fish meal
Sea weed meal
Molasses
Water
I'm still working on the ratios.

Here's another tidbit I found in the book. It illustrates how a friendly fungi traps a bad nematode. That however can only happen in our pots, if the conditions are right for the fungi to be there in the first place...

 

[fredman]

Ah should've mentioned, I found a source for a good quality biochar....inoculated with microbes, the guy says.
Suppose a few table spoons per pot should do it...?

 

[fredman]

Watched another Tedtalk about how the brain has a section not connected to other parts of the brain, it is connected to our gut.

Hell yeah.... the gut IS the second brain.
I was oblivious about food all my life...until it impacted my loved ones, and to a lesser extend, me.
Believe me mate....YOU ARE what you EAT....FOOD is MEDICINE !!!
I've more than seen it...I am living it. The wife went from...can't get up a flight of steps, to almost zero pain..just by eating the right foods, and some good quality suppliments that her body lacks.
Same with the daughter. She was admitted 3 times in the psychiatric ward....psychotic and crazy as hell. I literally cried for months because with that there's no hope...normally. We thought we lost her for ever. Her to, are as normal as me now (take that as you wish )...even finishing off her studies now. Wrong foods and chemical unbalances in the body, gut and brain was the cause. The psychiatrists could only get her to manageable (almost zombie like) state with their chemicals. She went back when she was normal again and told the two of them what worked for her. The evidence was right in front of them, but only one was interested enough to learn from it.
Hell even the dog are healed of her excessive itching and scratching. Cause of it again, was wrong foods. I started her on a raw food diet only, and all that disappeared within two months.
For me, the same applies to a bonsai in a pot. Feed it the wrong foods, and it's health will eventually be comprised.

 

[Carol 83]

Hell yeah.... the gut IS the second brain.
I was oblivious about food all my life...until it impacted my loved ones, and to a lesser extend, me.
Believe me mate....YOU ARE what you EAT....FOOD is MEDICINE !!!
I've more than seen it...I am living it. The wife went from...can't get up a flight of steps, to almost zero pain..just by eating the right foods, and some good quality suppliments that her body lacks.
Same with the daughter. She was admitted 3 times in the psychiatric ward....psychotic and crazy as hell. I literally cried for months because with that there's no hope...normally. We thought we lost her for ever. Her to, are as normal as me now (take that as you wish )...even finishing off her studies now. Wrong foods and chemical unbalances in the body, gut and brain was the cause. The psychiatrists could only get her to manageable (almost zombie like) state with their chemicals. She went back when she was normal again and told the two of them what worked for her. The evidence was right in front of them, but only one was interested enough to learn from it.
Hell even the dog are healed of her excessive itching and scratching. Cause of it again, was wrong foods. I started her on a raw food diet only, and all that disappeared within two months.
For me, the same applies to a bonsai in a pot. Feed it the wrong foods, and it's health will eventually be comprised.

Wonderful news about your wife and daughter. I'm so glad for you.

 

[Vance Wood]

There is also a direct two-way connection between the brain and the ass, hence the origin of the well recognized, shit for brains syndrome. The condition is not treatable, but not fatal either. Unfortunately.

I wonder if both are related to each other or perhaps it is a manifestation of the same left brain right brain. That there was funny.

 

[fredman]

Wonderful news about your wife and daughter. I'm so glad for you.

Thanks Carol, but to be honest, looking back, i'm glad it happened. The wife being an ex pharmacist always had a cupboard filled with medicine....not anymore. In fact the whole cupboard is gone. Can't remember when last the household has needed any medicine.
It forced us to take another direction. A direction of finding and correcting the cause of the ailment, where we used to do what was taught...go see the doctor to get something to treat the symptoms.

 

[Anthony]

Every day we drink a large cup of veg/ fruit drink - contains

The West Indian Cherry - high vit c
Roma tomatoes
and other goodies.

The bonsai soil is kept simple - 2 to 3 ingredients
Good Day
Anthony

* we eat no KFC

 

[Carol 83]

* we eat no KFC

 

[Forsoothe!]

I owe my longevity to beer. I have had at least 4 a day for 57 years, more in summer. For about 20 years, I substituted a glass of red wine with dinner for my heart health, but I had to give that up when it conflicted with my heart medication. Now my beer is limited to 2% beer. It's not as healthful as the real thing , but a man's gotta do what man's gotta do. You can't eat barbecued chicken, pork chops or ribs with milk. Milk is only suitable as a foodstuff when it's used to make ice cream or cookies or cheese.

 

[Carol 83]

I owe my longevity to beer.

Good to know, I should live to a ripe old age.

 

[fredman]

we eat no KFC

LoL, used to be one of my staples...now I just shake my head when I see the row of cars at the drive through.... people are oblivious mate
Then again...it's a process, and not all seek to be informed for the better.

 

[cmeg1]

5:2 ratio humic/fulvic acid:kelp........SOD-super oxide dismutase production

I always use this!!! Roots & foliar
No more than once a week on foliar though or will burn.

Humic Acid and Seaweed Extracts: A Powerful Combination

If someone wanted to add just one thing to their feeding schedule, I’d recommend water-soluble kelp extracts. Seaweed extract has multiple uses. It can be used as a seed soak, a root stimulant or as an excellent foliar spray. It can be misted on the leaves of mother plants to encourage more...

www.gardenandgreenhouse.net

 

[Forsoothe!]

I keep a pint spray bottle of 3g Fulvic, 3g Kelp, 8g Humic in water that I use on anything that is not doing as well as I want, or is newly edited, about to bloom, etc. I don't keep track of how often I use it, but I spray heavily the canopies everyday as I water, which I feel washes whatever is on the foliage off and into the pot after ~24 hours. Also, I do my koolaid spray after I water so it's on already wet foliage which further limits how much and how long the foilage is in direct contact even less. I have had bad experiences with foliar feeding NPK and think this suits me and the plants pretty well. ??

 

[cmeg1]

I keep a pint spray bottle of 3g Fulvic, 3g Kelp, 8g Humic in water that I use on anything that is not doing as well as I want, or is newly edited, about to bloom, etc. I don't keep track of how often I use it, but I spray heavily the canopies everyday as I water, which I feel washes whatever is on the foliage off and into the pot after ~24 hours. Also, I do my koolaid spray after I water so it's on already wet foliage which further limits how much and how long the foilage is in direct contact even less. I have had bad experiences with foliar feeding NPK and think this suits me and the plants pretty well. ??

I hear at lights out for 15 minutes is best time to foliar feed.
Interesting when my lights turn off.......the most living green plant aroma eminates within seconds from the tent......something instantly changes......maybe starts respirating a different way.I know they di respirate at night and expell co2 and take in oxygen?

You use koolade?
@Forsoothe!

 

[sorce]

I was watching a JRE with an ex-monk Yoga instructor who was talking about the energy in preparation of food.
Cooking with "love" is real!

Since this here mask bullshit we ain't been out to eat that garbage much, and it feels nasty to eat it if we do.

Bout to get some more chickens!

I been trying up broccoli in some butter and garlic, then sticking these fresh eggs in there....and let me tell you something....I can eat this forever!

Sorce

 

[coh]

I hear at lights out for 15 minutes is best time to foliar feed.
Interesting when my lights turn off.......the most living green plant aroma eminates within seconds from the tent......something instantly changes......maybe starts respirating a different way.I know they di respirate at night and expell co2 and take in oxygen?

I've noticed this too. The aroma varies in intensity from plant to plant and at different times, but I've never bothered to try to relate it to whether the plants are actively growing, or if I just watered or fertilized, etc. I think willow leaf ficus produces the strongest aroma in my experience.

 

[Forsoothe!]

I hear at lights out for 15 minutes is best time to foliar feed.
Interesting when my lights turn off.......the most living green plant aroma eminates within seconds from the tent......something instantly changes......maybe starts respirating a different way.I know they di respirate at night and expell co2 and take in oxygen?

You use koolade?
@Forsoothe!

Plants do droop at night. If you have large herbaceous plants like I have Hosta, you can see them bending lower when they are too dry and in the early AM before the sun puffs them back up. It has been my (unfounded) opinion that in the absence of sunlight (at night, not just a cloudy day) a lot of fluids which in vascular plants are pulled up into the leaves via transpiration due to heat and sugar production is drawn back downstream as the leaves lose the positive force of capillary action (siphon, really) of transpiration. I always thought that's when the roots get a big shot of juices from the leaves and that concurrently, the roots did most of their utilization of those sugars and grew more at night than in daytime when the opposite flow of raw materials is flowing skyward. Makes sense even if I'm full of it!

 

[Trenthany]

There is also a direct two-way connection between the brain and the ass, hence the origin of the well recognized, shit for brains syndrome. The condition is not treatable, but not fatal either. Unfortunately.

I have several thoughts. (Went from two to several as my thoughts chained together. )
1. An editThe condition is not treatable, but not typically fatal either.
2. Using metered inline fertilization seems like a really good idea whether you are using organic or in organics
3. Does anyone not think that the spores most beneficial to the tree will be attracted to the tree anyways? Perhaps one reason we don’t have as healthy of rhizome biome is the frequent repotting.
4. Many times I’ve heard mention that short internodes and healthy foliage comes from plants that have “filled” their pots. Not rootbound, just filled every nook and cranny. With less fertilization and lower NPK values do we need to repot as often?
5. With lower fertilization and less barerooting while our soil cultures improve? I can’t water midday most days so I am fairly heavy with pine bark in my mix so I’m hoping as my roots develop I won’t have to repot as often because the biomes will slow growth to mature tree levels. I’d like to think the amount of organics will help that develop on its own. Which leads to another thought. Lmao
6. The multi area combination of soils to make an inoculation tea. Seems logical in a shotgun type approach but may also introduce pathogens. Buuuut Karen from Ireland I think it was specifically mentioned manure and that it had something or helped feed something. I don’t know about where you guys are but I have access to woods cows that get into all kinds of plants chew them up and poop them out. Seems like a pretty good source of those bacteria as well. Should also really boost a composter because of the cellulose digesting Bacteria in a cows first(???) stomach. I know it will boost a composter from witnessing it plenty of times and plan on collecting a few buckets to add to my composters.

Just speaking from my personal experience and thoughts after lots of reading. I’ve read almost every article listed in here already lol.

One more thought!
How do humic, fulvic and citric acids help when the bacteria and fungus appear to do worse in acidic environments? I think that was in the nitrogen article and mentioned by Karen again. The guy from the Netherlands (Can’t remember his name) Mentioned lowering his PH but only to around 7. That’s a number I’ve seen a lot for nutrient uptake and I know I need to lower my PH. FL soils are very alkaline typically (probably because of all the limestone we have instead of bedrock?)so I’m definitely looking into the acids to add to my regime. I don’t need supplemental iron, I just need to make sure the biomes can absorb the oxides. I got lots of minerals in my water! My well water will leave iron stains overnight if I don’t bleed the line out when I’m done watering. The slow drip deposits it every time I forget.