Piedmont Bonsai
Shohin
Can we get kokufu black pines next?I have a feeling there's more coming once propagation season wraps up
One of these Seigens is not like the other...
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Nah… White pines!I'll put in a good word for you
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or 900 pictures of Zelkova brooms, just for the laugh
I wonder if a non-broom style Zelkova has ever been shown at Kokufu.. .
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I wonder if a non-broom style Zelkova has ever been shown at Kokufu.. .
From memory, in Kokufu specifically I have seen forest, kabudachi, and quite a few of the single trunk style like the one in the 2nd image I shared. Neither of these first 2 images are from Kokufu; they are just what I had ready-to-hand. There have also been a few whose primary structure is broom style, but the branching is then very horizontal or even weeping (see final pic -- not the best example but you get what I mean). I forgot where this 3rd picture is from.
Outside of Kokufu, I have seen all kinds of things of course
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I’m still trying to find the Zelkovarest zelkova, as well as the chojubaiest chojubai so I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing every one of those 2 species that have made a Kokufu appearance
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Sorry @Canada Bonsai this one just needed a bit more exposure.
My my.. That is such an innocent image until you really study it.
My my.. That is such an innocent image until you really study it.
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Ha! Around the time when i did that podcast (5-6 years ago?) i had reached out to a few university departments and the project was initially assigned to a few Master’s students — the goal was to review all of the Kokufu albums for a given species using computers/AI (this was before the current AI boom) in order to pull out statistics, averages, etc. for over 150 variables (e.g. trunk diameter in relation to height, height of first branch, thickness/length of branches in relation to x, y, z, etc.). We initially thought that using 2D images would be an advantage, but this turned out to be the reason (or so i was told) why the project was not feasible.
So for now, my little Plato/Aristotle meets bonsai project is on hold
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I remember your podcast well and can recall exactly where I was driving at the time of listening. I visited a landscape nursery that day and found a massive ginkgo growing on their grounds. I parked near the ginkgo and while no one was looking took 3 small cuttings from the tree. At the time it was the first and only ginkgo I had knew of.
I was listening to the podcast on the way there and on the way back home.
I still have one of the little cuttings growing nicely.
I will name him Plato
I was listening to the podcast on the way there and on the way back home.
I still have one of the little cuttings growing nicely.
I will name him Plato
zita
Yamadori
yes it is. I bought mine from Zulauf, the biggest and oldest Bonsai Shop of Switzerland.
And, in my case, the very only reason to buy it, was because it was labeled as Seigen. (it was late fall, the tree had funny colors, grown inside greenhouse)
That said, they do not sell online, so you have seen what you bought.
And, prior to purchase i was googling monthes for a Seigen....there is only a handful in Europe and they cost madness. Absolutely insane.
2cm trunk costs over 1000 euros everywhere......so when i was in the shop for other reasons, i saw this Seigen, 5cm trunk and priced 300 euros "only".....it was a no brainer.
yes, leave shape is identical to dejosho.
Spring color imho ways better. Absolute high class i would say with the yellow veines and the type of red. It does look layered vs onedimensional (dejosho).
First half of Spring i found chisio to be the best. Very small leaves for a month, the color even more radiance with blue notes on top. However, second half when the leaves get bigger and bigger the color gets pale and meaningless until summer.
while the Beigen ( thats how i call the b-seigen ) keeps the color and leave shape perfect from start to end of spring and then, i love it for that, the transition to green is very fast.
The green is lovely.
So in the summery, while it is different than original Seigen, it is a fantastic cultivar and seems to be spreaded worldwide. So i do think it does deserve its own name.
Strongly agreed it shouldnt be called Seigen.
i think leave shape is the easy key to identify Seigen vs BeigenI wonder if these problems of bad identifications (which ruin trust) also occur in the world of roses or orchids etc. I hope not.
zita
Yamadori
what i would like to ask those with experiance:
how good do Seigens backbud?
i realize it does root like crazy, however. mine was a dwarf.....i pruned it strongly a week ago and see no hint of anything new developing.
how good do Seigens backbud?
i realize it does root like crazy, however. mine was a dwarf.....i pruned it strongly a week ago and see no hint of anything new developing.
Wood
Chumono
I'll put in a good word for you
Meanwhile I'm over here cheering for beech or hornbeam
clem
Omono
I didn't pay attention to mine, in term of backbudding, but if you prune a JM, you should get new buds 3 weeks later (more or less). If you pruned 1 week ago, it is normal that you don't see anything yet. IMO
leatherback
The Treedeemer
ehm.. really?
Propagation is a bitch. I wish I knew what I did to get decent rooting the first time I tried layering mine. None of the cuttings or layers have taken since.
Anybody who has the key to this can start propagating and get decent return.
clem
Omono
I checked my air layering, and I confirm: no roots yet
hello, here is the recent evolution of my seigen JM bought last year. I plan to airlayer it because it is grafted on JM stock.
Here is the tree when i recieved it (june 2024) ->
March 2025, i try to airlayer it ->
tourniquet ->
Yesterday, i removed the soil to check the airlayer, but, apart from a nice callus, I don't see any roots ->
So, I then removed a ring of bark and made incisions under the tourniquet, to try to better stimulate the appearance of roots ->
I replaced...
Here is the tree when i recieved it (june 2024) ->
March 2025, i try to airlayer it ->
tourniquet ->
Yesterday, i removed the soil to check the airlayer, but, apart from a nice callus, I don't see any roots ->
So, I then removed a ring of bark and made incisions under the tourniquet, to try to better stimulate the appearance of roots ->
I replaced...
zita
Yamadori
thx yes, you are right there, Just after you wrote i dedected small red points and by now quiet lots of them.
Didnt leave out yet , but should do so in the next few days.
so i would already say yes, B-segen buds back well.
zita
Yamadori
yes, mine rooted very strongly this season so far.
That said, i am NOT speaking about airlayer or cutting.
it is a prebonsai that got a rootcut this spring and then got placed in a bigger pot. It has filled that pot with roots since then strongly.
clem
Omono
Does it come from a graft on a normal JM ? or cutting/airlayering ?
zita
Yamadori
it is very difficult to say what it is. Most probably it is a graft, as there are no branches / backbudding in the lower part.
And when i bought it, there was a second B-Seigen next to the one i bought and there it was clearly to see that it was a graft.
i ll do a pic in the coming days.
And when i bought it, there was a second B-Seigen next to the one i bought and there it was clearly to see that it was a graft.
i ll do a pic in the coming days.