No...it's not diseased

rockm said:
The vast majority of my trees are anything but traditional. I like unusual, but there's quirky and cute, and there's pain-in-the-ass, makes-me-want-to-scream, I've-got-better-trees-to-work-on quirky.
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Well, I will store that in the back of my head...but, for someone who only has less than 20 trees. And no plan on going over 20-25...it will be a learning experience if anything. Figured if it was a shohin...smaller tree less a pain. But your saying smaller branches are the pain. So time will tell. As of now...I'm smitten with the quirkiness of it. But have seen it mentioned more and more of ones having winged elm...my friend Barb has one that just begun having wings. So she is ahead of me on this journey with her winged elm. I'll be keeping an ear open on her thoughts of hers as well.

Appreciate the heads up...thanks again.
 
As I understand it, the wings aren't permanent. Really young twigs don't have them. When they get a couple years on them, the wings develop. Then, when they get a few more years on them, the wings fall off.

I've never had one, but that's what I've heard from those that do.
 
Yeah,I read something about that. Though another cultivar does keep their wings. Mine will eventually lose them. Which sounds like a blessing.
 
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Elms can develop wings within a couple months on strong, unrestrained growth.
 
It's not been my experience that winged elms lose their "wings." That cork becomes the rough bark on the trunk and limbs. These trees are planted around here as landscape material by the state. They've spread out into the natural landscape. They look mostly like this as they age:

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I posted this same photo here
http://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-winged-elm.23095/page-2

Cedar elms and a few others will produce a lot of wings on fast growing new twigs, however, they are never as thick and heavy as the ones I've seen on Winged elm.
 
rockm said:
It's not been my experience that winged elms lose their "wings." That cork becomes the rough bark on the trunk and limbs. These trees are planted around here as landscape material by the state. They've spread out into the natural landscape. They look mostly like this as they age:

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I posted this same photo here
http://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-winged-elm.23095/page-2

Cedar elms and a few others will produce a lot of wings on fast growing new twigs, however, they are never as thick and heavy as the ones I've seen on Winged elm.
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Thanks!
That sounds about right...it was I believe the CEDAR elm compared to a winged elm...as to it growing wings. But they would eventually lose them.

Been corresponding with Adam...and he says he knocks off the wings when he wires.

Well, that sort of made me day...hearing it will keep them to a degree. Unless I knock them off. Thanks for clearing it up. Because I knew I read an elm lost its wings...but I did Google and it was indeed the cedar elm that did so. Could find no comment of winged elms losing theirs. Other than what Adam said about knocking them off when wiring.

Curious...if a root cutting can even grow wings on the now existing trunk...since it once was meant to be a root and all. Will be interesting to see what time brings to this tree.
 
That might have been it. The difference between Winged Elm and Cedar Elm.

I think it was MarkyScott who was talking about that. And sometimes they cross, so it's really hard to tell the difference between them.
 
Cadillactaste said:
Thanks!
That sounds about right...it was I believe the CEDAR elm compared to a winged elm...as to it growing wings. But they would eventually lose them.

Been corresponding with Adam...and he says he knocks off the wings when he wires.

Well, that sort of made me day...hearing it will keep them to a degree. Unless I knock them off. Thanks for clearing it up. Because I knew I read an elm lost its wings...but I did Google and it was indeed the cedar elm that did so. Could find no comment of winged elms losing theirs. Other than what Adam said about knocking them off when wiring.

Curious...if a root cutting can even grow wings on the now existing trunk...since it once was meant to be a root and all. Will be interesting to see what time brings to this tree.
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Native plant society of Texas, article includes "cedar elm drops wings on branches, Winged elm doesn't"
http://npsot.org/wp/story/2011/1687/


FWIW, this is pretty much the same thing that happens with Arakawa and other rough barked Japanese maples. It is the same process. I have a mature Arakawa JM in my backyard that is "barked up" completely. All those lumpy warts mostly began as wings and lumps on the trunk, filling in over the years to make the thick, rough bark.

I also don't think it's all that hard to tell the difference between cedar elm and winged elm. I don't know how much interbreeding there is between cedar elm and winged elm. I know cedar elm is often confused with winged elm because of the wings on twigs
 
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M. Frary said:
Been having heavy frost for a couple weeks here.
Putting my trees away next week.
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Likewise...tropicals I've been lazy about and stuck in the greenhouse. But it's the first where things were frozen to the table from it. Or at least...that I noticed anyways.
 
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