penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
I couldn't agree with you more. I have had multiple chances to get this cultivar that I have passed on.
Japanese Maples that Root from Cuttings
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leatherback
The Treedeemer
Esveld is a very well known nursery in the Netherlands indeed, and they do a lot of propagation & as far as I know, bring out new cultivars. I have checked their website in the past, and never been able to find a reliable image of seigen there. In fact, if you do an image search on googly, a lot of people have seigen out there, but they are all different.
The image of seigen above is different from how I have seen Seigen spring foliage, which was really light pink, rather than the near purple of deshojo. It would be nice to have some sort of a site with foliage from all these cultivars..
Oerc201
Mame
I will say that out of curiosity i visited the website and it does indeed look different. I just got my Seigen and only saw fall colors but i will post pics as soon as spring comes. It does look different on there and not like the pic from the book that was posted earlier. What i have seen on insta is although a bit different its pretty consistent with the color in the book. It is a type of red with a line of orange. I am not expert in anyway and they might all be seigen but just saying that esveld pics do look different. So i agree with you
Canada Bonsai
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Thanks for your kind response!
Can you share the name of that nursery that buys from Esveld? There are a number of cultivars I would love to special order from Esveld through them!
You've succeeded with cutting of Fagus crenata?!?
I know guys that have been trying for +30 years... and I myself have not had any luck. Can you give any more detail on your experience? How many cuttings? Success rate? Time of year? Conditions?Thank you!
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
I have been buying some JM from Mr Maple and I have been very well pleased. The list changes frequently and I check it a few times a week. I have talked to them on the phone, very friendly. I couldn't be more pleased. They are grafted trees but I knew this going in. I bought them for stock, but also just because I have always loved JMs.
Ohmy222
Shohin
Thanks for your kind response!
Can you share the name of that nursery that buys from Esveld? There are a number of cultivars I would love to special order from Esveld through them!
You've succeeded with cutting of Fagus crenata?!?
Thank you!
I will reach out to see if they can order through Esveld and send a PM. I would think it would be easier for you to order directly from them as Canada import restrictions are not near as strict. Also, I believe they order the scions from Esveld and not the actual plants. They then graft. I think most maple nurseries at least get their mother plant or scion material for them or Buchholz in Oregon.
On the Beech, I struck 2 out of maybe 10 cuttings last year. I scored a very small amount of seed a couple of years ago and last year when cutting a couple back I tried for the hell of it. The fact they are so young may have made it easier but I read of people in Japan taking cuttings. Probably in an old International Bonsai or something. I did strike a couple more from root cuttings too so I imagine that is a better approach for Beech I probably only tried 3-4 and 2 of them took. I know that is what most do for persimmon and hawthorn. of course it is easier to clip branches then roots. I have struck an American Beech from the property behind my house that had very small leaves. I probably tried 20-30 and only got a couple. The setup is nothing outside of what I stated above. Guess I never mentioned I used Clonex but the setup and soil are the same.
I have rooted at least one cutting from tridents, hornbeams (korean and american), lots of azaleas, plums, ume, cherries, crabapples, lindens, beauty berries, firethorns, bald cypress, pears, dogwoods, korean maples, sugar maples, vine maples, itoigawas, and ezo spruce, and several other I am probably neglecting to recall. Only ones I have not figured out are zushio, JBP, hawthorn, and oaks. Haven't tried a persimmon but know the are 'impossible'. One day I will maybe setup some heat pads. Most items I just give away, neglect, or use for roots grafts but I may start a side hustle one day. More than anything I just like to see if I can do it. Scientific like that.
Oerc201
Mame
So @Canada Bonsai you mentioned that for a cutting to root age was a factor. Would you consider a grafted tree of 2 years as a 2 year plant as far as taking cuttings? Also an airlayer of a branch is that the same age as the tree itself? Just curious as what is considered young as far as taking cuttings. Thank you!
joeyorozco10
Seedling
Have you been able to try air layering on koto hime? If so have they resulted in failures?
Ohmy222
Shohin
have not tried. May try this year. One I have isn't that big yet so may be a year off. They root easy from cuttings so I am sure they would layer fine.
BrierPatch
Mame
Acer palmatum var. dissectum 'Crimson Queen' much to my surprise. I put in about 5 cuttings in late Aug and one rooted and now has a bud swelling.
Darth Masiah
Chumono
they do.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
You probably got the last one. Ive been calling them and even was there today and no more Arakawa..
Ohmy222
Shohin
The original plant I had died before I ever tried one. I struck a few cuttings beforehand. I haven’t had many issues with the rough bark maples so you are probably fine. They are known to be vigorous trees so surprising I lost one. Best of luck!
andrewiles
Shohin
Here are some results for my experiments this summer. Many of these are not good for bonsai of course...
Used a propogation chamber with CloneX solution. Zone 8 in shade using softwood cuttings. Between 2 and 6 leaves.
These are almost all small samples sizes. Between 5 - 10 cuttings except where noted. Timing listed is to first visible roots, usually an inch long or so.
As an aside, it's amazing how long cuttings can last without roots when kept under humid/moist conditions. In some cases still hanging on after 4 months.
Used a propogation chamber with CloneX solution. Zone 8 in shade using softwood cuttings. Between 2 and 6 leaves.
These are almost all small samples sizes. Between 5 - 10 cuttings except where noted. Timing listed is to first visible roots, usually an inch long or so.
| Family | Cultivar | Difficulty | Weeks to first roots | Comments |
| Hedge Maple | Carnival | Very Hard | 10+ | Cuttings tend to lose leaves before roots form. < 15% success rate |
| Japanese Maple | Aka Shigitatsu Sawa | Infeasible | - | All cuttings died before roots formed |
| Japanese Maple | Anne Irene | Easy | 3 | One of the easiest |
| Japanese Maple | Arakawa | Easy | 6 | Sample size of only 1 |
| Japanese Maple | Beni Maiko | Easy | 3 | |
| Japanese Maple | Beni Tsukasa | Easy | 4-5 | |
| Japanese Maple | Celebration | Easy | 3 | Sample size of only 1, but rooted very quickly |
| Japanese Maple | Coonara Pygmy | Moderate | 8-14 | Most eventually rooted, but slooow |
| Japanese Maple | Corvallis Broom | Easy | 7-8 | Takes a long time but consistent after that |
| Japanese Maple | First Flame | Moderate | 3-8 | |
| Japanese Maple | Fjellheim | Hard | 7-8 | < 50% success rate |
| Japanese Maple | Frosted Purple | Moderate | 4-6 | |
| Japanese Maple | Ghost Dancer | Moderate | 5-10 | |
| Japanese Maple | Happy Corallinum | Moderate | 3-6 | |
| Japanese Maple | Johnnies Pink | Easy | 3-6 | One of the easiest |
| Japanese Maple | Mikazuki | Hard | 5 | < 50% success rate |
| Japanese Maple | Orange Dream | Easy | 3-6 | |
| Japanese Maple | Oridono Nishiki | Easy | 3-6 | |
| Japanese Maple | Peve Multicolor | Hard | 9 | < 25% after 9 weeks |
| Japanese Maple | Saiho | Easy | 4-8 | |
| Japanese Maple | Sawa Chidori | Moderate | 4-14 | Around 50% success rate, but some took a looong time |
| Japanese Maple | Segai | Easy | 3 | |
| Japanese Maple | Strawberry Spring | Hard | 12-14 | < 50% success rate after 14 weeks |
| Japanese Maple | Summer Gold | Easy | 3-5 | |
| Japanese Maple | Tobiosho | Easy | 3-5 | |
| Japanese Maple | Ukigumo | Moderate | 8 | |
| Japanese Maple | Usu Midori | Infeasible | - | All cuttings died quickly |
| Japanese Maple | White Peaches | Moderate | 3-5 | |
| Painted Maple | Naguri Nishiki | Hard | 4 | Leaves tend to drop before roots. < 25% success rate |
| Red Maple | Vanity | Easy | 2 | Probably the easiest to root in this list |
| Shantung Maple | Flower God | Easy | 4 | |
| Trident Maple | Golden Trident | Hard | 6-10 | Forms a large callous without roots. < 25% success rate |
| Trident Maple | Miyasama Yatsubusa | Easy | 5-12 | High success rate with large callous. Just took a long time for some cuttings |
| Vine Maple | Little Gem | Hard | 8-13 | Tends to form large callous without roots. < 25% success rate |
As an aside, it's amazing how long cuttings can last without roots when kept under humid/moist conditions. In some cases still hanging on after 4 months.
