Japanese Black Pine - Buy?

Even though it appears by the last picture you have already made a choice. I wish to express another point of view.
Too often our focus is what is the initial cost for the tree, rather than what is it actually worth as a tree.
The cost of acquisition is usually the smallest portion of the overall investment.
I would not choose either.
Pines take a long time and a lot of expense to develop properly. Both of the above trees have primary issues difficult to correct that limit their potential in my opinion. I would rather select something younger for the same price or cheaper that could be developed without those major issues. Neither choice has decent nebari, the foundation of any good pine! Neither has a decent trunk movement or taper. Both have been mismanaged in developing primary branching.
For me it is not a question of if they are better than the other choices available at a particular point in time. It is always a question of fundamental value with an eye to future development. Hardest things to change are the nebari and trunk. Why pay for poor beginnings and then pour additional resources and time into things that will always limit the potential?
If that is the level of development common to that seller, I would search out other sources.

On the other hand if it please you, then it is a good choice for you.
 
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Even though it appears by the last picture you have already made a choice. I wish to express another point of view.
Too often our focus is what is the initial cost for the tree, rather than what is it actually worth as a tree.
The cost of acquisition is usually the smallest portion of the overall investment.
I would not choose either.
Pines take a long time and a lot of expense to develop properly. Both of the above trees have primary issues difficult to correct that limit their potential in my opinion. I would rather select something younger for the same price or cheaper that could be developed without those major issues. Neither choice has decent nebari, the foundation of any good pine! Neither has a decent trunk movement or taper. Both have been mismanaged in developing primary branching.
For me it is not a question of if they are better than the other choices available at a particular point in time. It is always a question of fundamental value with an eye to future development. Hardest things to change are the nebari and trunk. Why pay for poor beginnings and then pour additional resources and time into things that will always limit the potential?
If that is the level of development common to that seller, I would search out other sources.

On the other hand if it please you, then it is a good choice for you.
All these are very good points.
As per option two, the trunk movement an taper is actually good, maybe not properly shown in the pictures.
And yes, the roots are quite bizarre, which is maybe a matter of taste…
I agree option I trunk is kind of boring and does not have any nice nebari
 
Option 1 for me
The second one looks like one of the Cy-Bugs from Wreck it Ralph
 
Thats a really good price for those 2 trees, Brussel or most bonsai website here in the US would charge about $1k+ for them.
 
I'm partial to #2.
Perhaps not technically proper given the, "fat man trying to sprint," look with that trunk, but the leggy roots have great potential for spectacular neagari. They will likely look awkward- I'll admit that freely- but if you're considering it, I imagine that's part of what attracted you. If you enjoy it, that's the most important part.
 
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