Is it too late in the season to trunk chop a chinese juniper???

[Redwood Ryan]

But this started between me and one other member, ryan redwood or something. That's all it had to be, me and him. I didn't insult anybody else at all on the forum, they just began bombarding me with negativity. I have loved the few weeks i've been on this forum but if people like you are going to keep attacking me I'm going to at least have to to a vacation from this mob mentality thing going on here.

No one is bombarding you with negativity. No one is telling you to find a new hobby. It's all in your head. You insulted me though by calling me a "bonsai snob" for absolutely no reason. And no, it wasn't because I "told you to find a new hobby", because I didn't. I, and I'm sure a LOT of others on this forum, have noticed that you appear to be rushing things, which is a big no no in bonsai, which is what I said what I said, to slow you down.


Now please, get over it.

 

[Adair M]

Cypress,

I rarely get involved with threads like this... I'm only responding because someone mentioned my name...

You have demonstrated an eagerness to get involved with Bonsai, and that's good. That's why we are all here. Let me give you a bit of "seasoned advice" (I've been doing bonsai 42 years.)

Find a mentor.

You really cannot learn Bonsai from books, videos, or Internet forums. Oh, you can get ideas from those sources, but Bonsai is a hands-on 3 dimensional art form, with unique horticultural skills and techniques. (Not to mention the well-meaning misinformation that floats around...)

On a forum like this, it's impossible to know who knows their stuff, and who's a "poseur".

Now, in your area, Bill Valvanis (International Bonsai) is probably one of the best in the USA, and I would get in touch with him to see if he offers workshops or lessons, or beginner classes. Getting a good solid foundation now will spare you years of frustration. Bill is in Rochester, NY, about 90 miles away.

A day spent in a workshop with him will save you a decade of frustration of trying to do this on your own.

Bill's website is: www.internationalbonsai.com

 

[coh]

Bill is offering his standard 4-session beginners series of classes this fall. If I recall correctly, it's 4 3-hour sessions in the evening. I took this class a few years ago and it was worthwhile. If your schedule doesn't allow that, he also usually offers a one day (can't remember if it was 3 hours or the whole day) beginners class each year in June, I think. Finally, he is hosting a 2-day (Sat/Sun) open house in early September, with demos both days, discounts on supplies, etc. I would recommend attending at least one of those days if possible. Info about all of these is on his website, or I can provide additional details via PM if you're interested.

The BSUNY meeting this month is a bring-your-tree workshop, where people bring trees to work on and get advice from advanced members. That would be worth attending as well, even just to observe.

Chris

 

[Poink88]

You really cannot learn Bonsai from books, videos, or Internet forums. Oh, you can get ideas from those sources, but Bonsai is a hands-on 3 dimensional art form, with unique horticultural skills and techniques. (Not to mention the well-meaning misinformation that floats around...)

I agree with most of your post but this. It is almost like saying you cannot do bonsai if you are poor and I recent that.

Some of us don't have time to travel or the budget to pay high caliber mentors (some do not even have access to one)...leaving us with books, magazines, and online resources. Honestly, some may not even be able to afford the better books and mag subscription (I personally can't justify it either).

IMHO, it is harder or take longer w/o a mentor, but not impossible.

 

[Nybonsai12]

Honestly, some may not even be able to afford the better books and mag subscription (I personally can't justify it either).

But you have 8 pairs of concave cutters? Where is the sense in that?

 

[Poink88]

But you have 8 pairs of concave cutters? Where is the sense in that?

None. Just like having 150 trees and probably same amount of pots. It is my sickness. I do collect the magazines but used and at cheaper prices.

I do maintain that some cannot afford it...I know this for a fact. That should not stop them from enjoying the hobby.

 

[Vance Wood]

Come on guys this is not the Don Quixote awards forum. You do what you can with what you have, learn the most you can, believe in your self but don't think you know it all even if you think you do, and never pass on the opportunity to learn something new. You can always reject it latter. Never borrow money from anyone named Vito, never play cards with someone whose name is the same as a City, and never play pool with someone whose name is the same as a State.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

I agree with most of your post but this. It is almost like saying you cannot do bonsai if you are poor and I recent that.

Some of us don't have time to travel or the budget to pay high caliber mentors (some do not even have access to one)...leaving us with books, magazines, and online resources. Honestly, some may not even be able to afford the better books and mag subscription (I personally can't justify it either).

IMHO, it is harder or take longer w/o a mentor, but not impossible.

...truly at a loss for words over the ignorance and insolence of this post...

 

[Poink88]

...truly at a loss for words over the ignorance and insolence of this post...

Please try and list which ones you disagree with and why. Or you just feel that way because it came from me?

 

[Paradox]

Oh look....more bickering in this thread.......

If I could, I would hose you all down like a bunch of dogs in a fight.

 

[Cypress]

I'm impressed with how well you took that and in hindsight that was probably a little more harsh than it needed to be. However, nobody on here is trying to offend you or I would think that they would be a little more direct, so for the sake of civility in your future threads the next time you think someone is talking down or insulting u, it might be better to just let it go rather than calling them out and having your threads derailed by ass holes like me. Best wishes to you and your trees.

Thank you man

 

[Cypress]

Cypress,

I rarely get involved with threads like this... I'm only responding because someone mentioned my name...

You have demonstrated an eagerness to get involved with Bonsai, and that's good. That's why we are all here. Let me give you a bit of "seasoned advice" (I've been doing bonsai 42 years.)

Find a mentor.

You really cannot learn Bonsai from books, videos, or Internet forums. Oh, you can get ideas from those sources, but Bonsai is a hands-on 3 dimensional art form, with unique horticultural skills and techniques. (Not to mention the well-meaning misinformation that floats around...)

On a forum like this, it's impossible to know who knows their stuff, and who's a "poseur".

Now, in your area, Bill Valvanis (International Bonsai) is probably one of the best in the USA, and I would get in touch with him to see if he offers workshops or lessons, or beginner classes. Getting a good solid foundation now will spare you years of frustration. Bill is in Rochester, NY, about 90 miles away.

A day spent in a workshop with him will save you a decade of frustration of trying to do this on your own.

Bill's website is: www.internationalbonsai.com

Thanks so much Adair!!!!!!

 

[coh]

Oh look....more bickering in this thread.......

If I could, I would hose you all down like a bunch of dogs in a fight.

Send in the police dogs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hstLdzCg6l8

Very fitting that i first saw a clip from the above video on the TV show "Ridiculousness", as this forum lately has featured its share of ridiculousness. Note, the real "action" doesn't start until about the 1:30 mark of the video.

Chris

 

[Redwood Ryan]

I'm impressed with how well you took that and in hindsight that was probably a little more harsh than it needed to be. However, nobody on here is trying to offend you or I would think that they would be a little more direct, so for the sake of civility in your future threads the next time you think someone is talking down or insulting u, it might be better to just let it go rather than calling them out and having your threads derailed by ass holes like me. Best wishes to you and your trees.

Still don't understand how a tongue in cheek comment that ended with an emoji was harsh but OKAY.

Anyway, let's return to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[october]

Send in the police dogs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hstLdzCg6l8

Very fitting that i first saw a clip from the above video on the TV show "Ridiculousness", as this forum lately has featured its share of ridiculousness. Note, the real "action" doesn't start until about the 1:30 mark of the video.

Chris

This is awesome and too funny.

Rob

 

[coh]

You might like this one too (clip from the actual show with voice over): Chicken police

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_r0sbSqz-0

Last one

 

[october]

You might like this one too (clip from the actual show with voice over): Chicken police

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_r0sbSqz-0

Last one

This one was great too. I like the dog one better though.

Rob

 

[Paradox]

Send in the police dogs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hstLdzCg6l8

Very fitting that i first saw a clip from the above video on the TV show "Ridiculousness", as this forum lately has featured its share of ridiculousness. Note, the real "action" doesn't start until about the 1:30 mark of the video.

Chris

Thats awesome.

I have 3 dogs and I have a pretty good understanding of pack mentality. Domesticated dogs accept all family members as pack members, whether they are humans or other animals. The cats are part of the "pack". There isnt supposed to be fighting in the pack and it represents instability. So the dogs are trying to break up the fight and bring back stability. Ive seen this happen with my own dogs when two are having a tiff, the 3rd will come in a break it up.

 

[Bill S]

Hi Vance, I am wondering if there is a miscommunication here. Are you saying you believe, it does not matter much if he repots now. Even after he chopped off like 80% of this juniper?

Rob

I think he will lose a big chunk of roots due to dieback from the chop, this will be the determining factor, how much of the roots live.

 

[Vance Wood]

I think he will lose a big chunk of roots due to dieback from the chop, this will be the determining factor, how much of the roots live.

I am saying it may even be beneficial. I've made this point perviously but I will run it by you again. If the Juniper is more foliage dependent for the support of the tree reducing down the foliage is going to create an imbalance in that the roots are going to be calling for nutrients from foliage no longer available. If the roots are reduced then you reduce the demand on the top of the tree.

In this case, where the top has been so drastically reduced, reducing the roots may be the only way of saving the tree. The idea that "gee, I have all these roots supporting just this little bit of foliage, that's got to be good." It doesn't work that way, the mass of roots will continue to demand resources from a top that is no longer there and the top that remains will be sucked dry by this activity. This is what I believe and this is what history in my experience has shown.