Help with pot change

[Hawke84]

im not familiar. i think when matching up pot colours and trees, ,maples in particular, Walter has 100s of images that can be used as a guide, i think he often gets the match ups right usually. my 2 cents

I've looked at his choices before, i think what he does is pick a pot for when the tree is going to be displayed and matches it an that aspect. so for that maple above, autumn display with brown pot. Theres a nice tall deshojo that hes put in a cream pot to display when just leafing out so while the trunk is still quite cream

 

[Hawke84]

ooo thats nice!

 

[sorce]

tree in development and someone got lazy up top.

As a "social experiment", I wonder if you would be as receptive to these things if it was you who let the top grow too much. This is one of the hardest lessons to teach, learn, or understand.

I think it would be harder to accept it if it was you, either way, the fact that it is recognized is huge.

Due to that top vigour, I wouldn't be afraid to cut it down this branch, and regrow it out to a little better tapered version of what is already there. It also has good branches to close the large, yet rear, wound.


These pics are way better.

I think letting all that top grow strong, until that lead is quite thick, then cut it back and the old top off at once, to get as many trunk buds to pop as possible, so your swap over to newer branches may be aided of necessary.

As a rule, I would always remove more from the top, almost continually restarting an apex, at least until the bottom is very well defined. 90% of the top, then 70%, down in proper increments to almost leaving the bottoms alone.

This can be adjusted to what top vigor actually is.

Sorce

 

[Hawke84]

As a "social experiment", I wonder if you would be as receptive to these things if it was you who let the top grow too much. This is one of the hardest lessons to teach, learn, or understand.

I think it would be harder to accept it if it was you, either way, the fact that it is recognized is huge.

Due to that top vigour, I wouldn't be afraid to cut it down this branch, and regrow it out to a little better tapered version of what is already there. It also has good branches to close the large, yet rear, wound.


These pics are way better.

I think letting all that top grow strong, until that lead is quite thick, then cut it back and the old top off at once, to get as many trunk buds to pop as possible, so your swap over to newer branches may be aided of necessary.

As a rule, I would always remove more from the top, almost continually restarting an apex, at least until the bottom is very well defined. 90% of the top, then 70%, down in proper increments to almost leaving the bottoms alone.

This can be adjusted to what top vigor actually is.

Sorce

I think if i had grown it myself id be more happy to remove it as i trust my skills less than others, i tend to buy a tree and assume the previous owner knew what they were doing, but the more i just look and study a tree the more i can see.
hadnt thought of using the front little branch, would hide the cut better but longer to develop out.
thank you for the advice, apricated as always

 

[Hawke84]

so back to pot choice...
what do you guys think. do you think this will suit it? im struggling with this tree.

 

[TomB]

Nice colour, but too shallow.

 

[Trueblackpercula]

Its text book depth, but keep in mind watering will be two to three times a day as the pot is very shallow. But its a nice pot a very nice pot.

Michael

 

[Hoyonokuma]

eyeing something like this
https://www.bruno-auvinet.fr/poterie-bonsai/pot-539/
or
https://www.bruno-auvinet.fr/poterie-bonsai/pot-502/ <-- but smaller

Man.. I was looking for Erin pots being displayed in the forum when I found this comment.
Being literally spending days, looking for nice greenish/blueish affordable glazes in Europe (Matt O's Tokoname are too expensive when added the overseas delivery, and most european artists works such as Martin Englert are very hard to be found).

Just wanted to give @Hawke84 some HUGE props for the link above.
Lovely stuff he has.

Btw I personally LOVE yellow/orange accents for Deshojos and Shishigashiras

 

[leatherback]

Lovely tree, and great discussions on reducing the height. It was my thought exactly when I saw the first picture, so yeah, I would look into reducing to the point where taper really seems lost.

Another thing to consider.. I doubt the pot is too small. I wonder though.. Did you prune the roots enough. I am VERY aggressive when it comes to rootwork. I think you may have been too gentle. I would have taken off about 1/2 to 2/3 of the fine roots you left on.. It would aid in potting the tree a little deeper, and will aid in keeping the core of the root-ball well draining. Opening the thin up, working from the bottom of the roots upwards.

Just a thought.

 

[Hawke84]

Reduced and wired. settled on a slightly higher reduction. was easier to build the canopy from what I had left. I'm going to live with it like this for a bit and see how i feel after this coming season.
Hope it meets the BN approval still plenty of work to do on it.

@leatherback I hadnt considered removing more roots, it felt like a heavy handed repotting, i always keep the roots i remove by the tree and it was a lot coming off, or it felt like it. I'll see how the tree responds over the next couple of seasons, its getting slipped into a slightly wider pot anyway