***Harunobu's Satsuki Seeds***

You have so many, consider playing a bit of natural selection by stressing 80% of them to death with cold/drought/intense sun

Itll only work if you have genetic variations in each tray. Im guessing that would be 1 variations in code because a certain allele is taken from one parnt rather than the other, or there is crossing over, or its epigenetic variation which may be useful or not at all, i dont know how stable that would be
 
The negative impact this has on the ones you select very likely outweighs the benefit of the selection.
 
Rivian, that is definitely the right way to think. But at this stage, trying to deliberately kill say half of them through drought isn't going to work. Yes, it is going to negatively impact all of them.
But I am not sure that those that get damaged and survive would then be the ones with the better genes. May just be the ones whose seed landed in a better place.
Also, them competing for space is already a mild selection criteria. Some will be slowed more than others. I suspect this will accumulate and some of the seedlings will just slowly wither away while others start to take off and dominate. This is actually something I want to try and see if this works this way, as I have 2 more seed trays as crowded as this one (but from other crosses).

But in 2022, I could plant them all out in a test field and once they get properly established, neglect then a bit so not all are growing optimal. That accumulating over a couple of years and the ones that thrive likely are the genetically superior ones.

This tray is quite a wide cross. A North American variety from Ohio with a lot of Korean azalea blood, very hardy but quite evergreen. And a tetraploid satsuki as the pollen parent. For example, the pigments of the Korean azalea are likely a lot richer. So far, all the leaves are rounded, not pointy.

I actually have some seedlings of the same cross, but in reverse, switching around who is the pollen and seed parent. It will be interesting to compare these. Chloroplast DNA inherits via the maternal/seed parent line. But apparently that should be the only difference.
 
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So we are going to be following one specific Suisen x Hekisui seedling. Right now I have two nominations, codenames uxe-20-68 and uxe-20-126.
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I guess one can vote on which one to follow, hopefully until flowering.


One funny effect the humidity domes have on some seedlings: they fancy themselves inside an aeroponics setup:
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Quick update: So I'm about 6weeks in since I sowed the seeds. Some of the seedlings have pushed out some good growth while others seem to be taking their time. I'm thinking since not many seeds germinated I'll probably transplant when they get an inch or so tall. I think it will be a lot easier to move them.

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Quick update: So I have several seedlings that have started to branch off now. There also seems to be some seeds that also just sprouted. I'm wondering if the ones that are starting to branch off are the first ones that sprouted or strong growers?

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I just set up a tray yesterday with the following plants:
  • 'Hekisui' x unknown
  • 'Hekisui' x 'Kobai'
  • 'Hakusen' x 'Miharu'
  • 'Asahi no Izumi' x 'Kobai'
  • 'Suisen' x 'Kobai'
Nothing much to show yet, I used a 48 cell seed tray with a short lid. I will post pictures if/when they start to show signs of life. Wish me luck :)
 
Good luck!

I crashed and burned on my first go. Astonishing as I usually have to cull my seed trays severely.

Undetered, I’m setting up for my second batch with the seeds I held back tomorrow now that I found a warmer spot.

Cheers
DSD sends
 
I crashed and burned on my first go. Astonishing as I usually have to cull my seed trays severely.

I think I shot myself in the foot also. I mist the seed trays with water with water frequently. One time 2 or 3 weeks ago, I accidentally sprayed with pesticide rather than water. I realized it after just a few sprays, but I blasted 90-95% of the seeds before then. About a week ago I finally saw some signs of life, on the 5-10% that I didn't spray with pesticide. I think I counted about 12 sprouts of the 'Suisen' x 'Kobai'. Nothing else is moving at all. Hopefully they will make it!
 
I think I shot myself in the foot also. I mist the seed trays with water with water frequently. One time 2 or 3 weeks ago, I accidentally sprayed with pesticide rather than water. I realized it after just a few sprays, but I blasted 90-95% of the seeds before then. About a week ago I finally saw some signs of life, on the 5-10% that I didn't spray with pesticide. I think I counted about 12 sprouts of the 'Suisen' x 'Kobai'. Nothing else is moving at all. Hopefully they will make it!
Do you still have any seeds left? I used all my seeds that Marc sent me.

I will probably start repotting my seedlings next month when it warms up some and prepare them for outside growing.
 
Do you still have any seeds left? I used all my seeds that Marc sent me.

I will probably start repotting my seedlings next month when it warms up some and prepare them for outside growing.

I used all my seeds as well.

Please keep posting your updates here. I'm not sure if it's worth trying to repot until next year.
 
I used all my seeds as well.

Please keep posting your updates here. I'm not sure if it's worth trying to repot until next year.
I have mine growing under LED lighting in the growing station. I think they will grow better with actual sunlight...........plus I need the space soon for other seeds.
 
@Pittoon

Maybe it’s the photo, yet your seedlings are looking a tad bit yellow... wondering it they need a bit of diluted nitrogen?

If these were cuttings I’d be adding the fertilizer about now every 2nd or 3rd time.

Hopefully my second batch will sprout soon and we can compare!

cheers
DSD sends

Ive got a really cheap hot house going!!

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@Pittoon

Maybe it’s the photo, yet your seedlings are looking a tad bit yellow... wondering it they need a bit of diluted nitrogen?

If these were cuttings I’d be adding the fertilizer about now every 2nd or 3rd time.

Hopefully my second batch will sprout soon and we can compare!

cheers
DSD sends

Ive got a really cheap hot house going!!

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Good eyes! Yes they are a tad bit yellow......I have yet to give them fertilizer. The seeds didn't all germinate at the same time so I didn't want to kill the late comers. But I think now it's time to start giving them some before it's to late. I will also now slowly acclimate them to the ambient humidity by slowly raising the dome. I'm hoping by spring to have them outside.

Nice set up, as long as it helps to germinate the seeds all is good.
 
Nicely Done @Pitoon!

Now that’s the way to troubleshoot an experiment. Actually now that you mention it, I had my whip experiment under a SpiderFarmer 2000 light this winter and found I had to keep the light intensity 50% or below or they would start to get wonky on top.....

Speaking of experimenting, I’ve hardened off all of my pre December ‘21 “cuttings-to-whips“ experiment in the past 3 weeks. Now it’s time to decide how many to grow as is, put in the ground or root wash and put in kanuma to see how fast each grows.

The only issue I’m having is that I had to wire some during the winter and that killed off some formerly healthy whips and slowed others done. Hopefully now they are used to being ‘bent’ they will grow as fast as the others.
Gotta figure out some more parameters and logistics on this one.

Good work!
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btw, my second set of seeds didn’t sprout at all. Dunno what caused either to not sprout. Not a usual thing here!

Deciding to get more from Mark and try another run, or concentrate on the cuttings to whips project.

Ugh
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@Deep Sea Diver I would contact Mark for some more seeds. I'm sure he has more and would send them if you ask. Don't give up with the seeds. We have the potential to create some new satsuki cultivars here in the USA.
 
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