Extended season starting trees indoors

[cmeg1]

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So proud of these.........
Killer cuttings

 

[cmeg1]

extra foliar technique
Win win!!!!

 

[MrFancyPlants]

I was checking your eBay link and looks like no material available. Too hot for shipping? How do I get my hands on a few Of your JBP and/or less likely but Tsuga? The only downside is without your know how, I feel like every snip might just be removing potential from the wee trees.

 

[cmeg1]

I was checking your eBay link and looks like no material available. Too hot for shipping? How do I get my hands on a few Of your JBP and/or less likely but Tsuga? The only downside is without your know how, I feel like every snip might just be removing potential from the wee trees.

Thanks for checking in!
I will put tou on notification list.Will have some in about 6 weeks.......also will put on the notification list for the big 6 mnth old Mikawa’s in Spring.
I will have to look into Hemlock and see what they are about.
I am experimenting with some cryptomeria Japonica seedlings.

Honestly,I could use some know how too when it comes to growing these out to larger proportions to actually make a bonsai
I am keeping one now and proceeding along.
It is only about 4 mnths now!

 

[MrFancyPlants]

Question: Do you think any of your techniques would be applicable for say an established JBP bonsai; in particular to shorten internode length and/or stimulate back budding?

I know you have a lot of controlled variables going on, but fantastic results.

 

[cmeg1]

Question: Do you think any of your techniques would be applicable for say an established JBP bonsai; in particular to shorten internode length and/or stimulate back budding?

I know you have a lot of controlled variables going on, but fantastic results.

Definately to stimulate backbudding!!!
5:2 ratio .....fulvic acid/kelp powders.
DEFINATELY NO MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.......even once every two weeks will show results.
Kelp will burn if more than once a week

1/8 tsp fulvic acid poweder———1/16 tsp kelp powder per gallon water
6.2-7.0 for foliar ph!!!!!

Dramatic results...is totally the secret to my multi-branch/clump seedling cuttings.

stops auxin signal and triggers plant survival response like a broken branch and forces side buds.............without actually losing your meristem growth...win win.
Cytokonins trigger this in the plant.
Fulvic acid will transport the kelp into leaf cells in as little as four hours.
Also add 1/16 yucca powder per 5 gallons as a surfectant!!!! To your foliar

 

[MrFancyPlants]

Definately to stimulate backbudding!!!
5:2 ratio .....fulvic acid/kelp powders.
DEFINATELY NO MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.......even once every two weeks will show results.
Kelp will burn if more than once a week

1/8 tsp fulvic acid poweder———1/16 tsp kelp powder per gallon water
6.2-7.0 for foliar ph!!!!!

Dramatic results...is totally the secret to my multi-branch/clump seedling cuttings.

stops auxin signal and triggers plant survival response like a broken branch and forces side buds.............without actually losing your meristem growth...win win.
Cytokonins trigger this in the plant.
Fulvic acid will transport the kelp into leaf cells in as little as four hours.
Also add 1/16 yucca powder per 5 gallons as a surfectant!!!! To your foliar

I may have to give this a shot.. and for other species.. like Hemlock, the strength of the solution should be less?
Measure ph after mixing and Adjust? Could I use distilled water, or safer w rain water?

edit: I went back through the thread to see which product you use and saw the kalix brand. Do you think I could get any Fúlvia acid powder and kelp powder off of Amazon?

 

[cmeg1]

I may have to give this a shot.. and for other species.. like Hemlock, the strength of the solution should be less?
Measure ph after mixing and Adjust? Could I use distilled water, or safer w rain water?

edit: I went back through the thread to see which product you use and saw the kalix brand. Do you think I could get any Fúlvia acid powder and kelp powder off of Amazon?

Ues foliar water can be distilled or rain......no need to weaken.
Measure ph after mixing and add yucca to spread evenly on surface.
All available through NPK RAW powders from amazon.
Their parent company is KALIX if you like bulk supplies

 

[cmeg1]

5:2 is great in drenches too of media....can be every watering in media......make sure to rinse leaves though or burn.
Stimulates production of a powerful plant protection agent. ADP?
Humic can be substituted in media if desired or a half and half humic fulvic
1/16tsp each in that case of humic fulvic kelp.
Humic stays next to roots,fulvic is smaller and transports into roots....they are both fantastic chelaters of nutrients.
Virginia tech did a ten year study on this ratio of 5:2 humic acid/kelp

 

[MrFancyPlants]

more questions:
Are the pH strips good enough?

Can I use soap as the surfactant, or maybe casava flour?

what to you adjust the ph with if it is off?

which way do you generally have to adjust ph?

is there a shelf life on the mix?

 

[cmeg1]

more questions:
Are the pH strips good enough?

Can I use soap as the surfactant, or maybe casava flour?

what to you adjust the ph with if it is off?

which way do you generally have to adjust ph?

is there a shelf life on the mix?

Need to break down and get a digital pen for cloudy solutions......strips are not effective in cloudy solution.
Usually about 5 drops of ph down...General hudroponics been around since ‘70’s
I personally reccommend yucca its a Mild fungicide too.

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If you get into large bulk supplies and want to save $1000’s a year.......kalix is parent company.
I spent $1200 and have enough fertilizer for at least 6 years.

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[cmeg1]

can see effects of weekly kelp foliar .

As these are root building for first 3 weeks,the foliar feeds of the kelp start backbudding on the pines almost instantly @MrFancyPlants

see the buds popping all around?
Almost soley the reason my pines are so bushy and stocky.

 

[BonsaiWilderness]

Cool!

 

[cmeg1]

Fast growing Chinese Elms

Chinese Elms grow rediculously fast in co2 fertilization.About 1300-1500ppm.
ONLY 4 weeks old from sewing seed...so less than 3 weeks growth?
These will definately be seedling air-layered by using the original method using cardboard sleeves in the tray itself.I believe the old way is actually quicker than the aeroponic cloner method.
These are very greedy trees indoors and will quickly get deficiencies if tou do not give adequate nutrient.These were at 1.0 EC from the start and extra potassium.I believe these really do not need mother fertilizer at 1:1 ratio since an air-layering process as opposed to cuttings.That way can give extra potassium in this excelled growth environment( way important).
Actually hoping the fulvic/kelp foliar feeds will halt the meristem elongation a tad.They may convert to this pattern since lateral branching is just beginning.Gets more pronounced with every foliar feeding usually.

Exciting really!
Backbudding nicely too!

 

[Kadebe]

Fast growing Chinese Elms

Chinese Elms grow rediculously fast in co2 fertilization.About 1300-1500ppm.
ONLY 4 weeks old from sewing seed...so less than 3 weeks growth?
These will definately be seedling air-layered by using the original method using cardboard sleeves in the tray itself.I believe the old way is actually quicker than the aeroponic cloner method.
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Too bad you don't live nearby

 

[Bezalel Nebari]

Chojubai from Brent.

Have it potted up.Pouch inside a pouch to keep nice and moist.Actually giving a root starter formula a few weeks to see if I can bulk the roots up.Then prepare with motherplant regime.
Hopefully get this really twiggy.

Have Mikawa pines popping up too from a gentleman who purchased from a grower in Japan.
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I'm curious about how you get the roots to bulk up if they are constantly being pruned by the root pouch. Doesn't that just lead to a dense network of fine roots?

 

[cmeg1]

I'm curious about how you get the roots to bulk up if they are constantly being pruned by the root pouch. Doesn't that just lead to a dense network of fine roots?

Hi.Personally I prefer this treatment in starter stock/seedlings.
In pine cuttings I find it very beneficial.The best thing for a pine seedling cutting is to have roots very close to trunk...the initial root density anyway.
Since these pines will be put into a smaller type bonsai pot,they will handle any root pruning quite well.On the other hand if you get massive roots to swell up by letting them run from trunk ,when you cut back to fit in your bonsai pot,it will be quite the drastic root pruning and could very well stunt the tree very hard a couple years.
Here is a 6 mnth pine seedling with dense roots only 1/2 inch from trunk.
I am totally for density big time at a very early age.
And makes very vigorous,so when these do push root growth it will be massive from all directions........more roots more power to uptake all the bio-stimulants.In a smaller package too if need be.

 

[PieterVE]

Too bad you don't live nearby

I second that !!

 

[cmeg1]

Zelkova seedling air-layers

These are always fun.9 days
They will be rooting in a couple days...probabaly be done in a week.
Nice little multi-trunk and clumps..

 

[Bezalel Nebari]

Hi.Personally I prefer this treatment in starter stock/seedlings.
In pine cuttings I find it very beneficial.The best thing for a pine seedling cutting is to have roots very close to trunk...the initial root density anyway.
Since these pines will be put into a smaller type bonsai pot,they will handle any root pruning quite well.On the other hand if you get massive roots to swell up by letting them run from trunk ,when you cut back to fit in your bonsai pot,it will be quite the drastic root pruning and could very well stunt the tree very hard a couple years.
Here is a 6 mnth pine seedling with dense roots only 1/2 inch from trunk.
I am totally for density big time at a very early age.
And makes very vigorous,so when these do push root growth it will be massive from all directions........more roots more power to uptake all the bio-stimulants.In a smaller package too if need be.
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How long do you keep them in the pouch for?