Dream weekend w/ any bonsai artist.

I'd take my longtime virtual bonsai friends who I'd love to hang with.... Antoni Payeras and Hans van Meer. Both are amazing European artists...

And I'm getting Kathy Shaner next month... so that Dream weekend is just about upon me. WOOHOO!

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I'd take my longtime virtual bonsai friends who I'd love to hang with.... Antoni Payeras and Hans van Meer. Both are amazing European artists...

And I'm getting Kathy Shaner next month... so that Dream weekend is just about upon me. WOOHOO!

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ditto hans, along with pavel slovak.
http://www.bonsaivigi.cz/

despite my profound respect for most of the professionals cited in this post, hans and pavel work wonders with larch --- which represents about half my collection.
 
A weekend collecting in the mountains with R. Knight. I'd like to see his criteria for collectible or not as well as extraction techniques.
 
Dream Weekend:

Well since this is just a fantasy anyway;
Yuji Yoshimura and/or John Naka.
Yes, before you say it, I know they are both deceased but it is a dream.
The very first "real" bonsai book I ever read was Yoshimua's and the ones
that taught me to go with my gut were Naka's.
No work though, just relax and converse for the entire time.
Now that is my idea of a tea party worth attending.
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Hands down Graham Potter. He appears to be one of these guys that is ready to wrestle the Bear and pull beauty out of garbage. Many of the masters mentioned would not touch a lot of things Graham constantly turns into show quality bonsai. Many of the masters would not touch anything that is not Yamadori or almost finished trees. Time and again, in viewing his videos, I am struck by his imagination and ability to come up with the things he does. You can learn a lot of technique from a lot of masters but not too many that can take you through envisioning master pieces out of trees that should have gone into the compost pile. I feel he is someone that can not only teach me a lot, but teach me the kinds of things I know I need to know. He is kind of that bell I have heard ringing from the mountain tops but have not, till now, been able to locate. JMHO
 
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Hands down Graham Potter. He appears to be one of these guys that is ready to wrestle the Bear and pull beauty out of garbage. Many of the masters mentioned would not touch a lot of things Graham constantly turns into show quality bonsai. Many of the masters would not touch anything that is not Yamadori or almost finished trees. Time and again, in viewing his videos, I am struck by his imagination and ability to come up with the things he does. You can learn a lot of technique from a lot of masters but not too many that can take you through envisioning master pieces out of trees that should have gone into the compost pile. I feel he is someone that can not only teach me a lot, but teach me the kinds of things I know I need to know. He is kind of that bell I have heard ringing from the mountain tops but have not, till now, been able to locate. JMHO

I agree. He also seems like a fellow I'd enjoy a few pints with during after the work was completed.
 
Hands down Graham Potter. He appears to be one of these guys that is ready to wrestle the Bear and pull beauty out of garbage. Many of the masters mentioned would not touch a lot of things Graham constantly turns into show quality bonsai. Many of the masters would not touch anything that is not Yamadori or almost finished trees. Time and again, in viewing his videos, I am struck by his imagination and ability to come up with the things he does. You can learn a lot of technique from a lot of masters but not too many that can take you through envisioning master pieces out of trees that should have gone into the compost pile. I feel he is someone that can not only teach me a lot, but teach me the kinds of things I know I need to know. He is kind of that bell I have heard ringing from the mountain tops but have not, till now, been able to locate. JMHO

...and we agree yet again! :eek: LOL Kidding aside, my thoughts exactly.

I'll share a story from our local club that happened long before I joined. A world class "master" was invited to demo (not sure if it is a State show) and he refused to work on the material provided because he is above it and waste of his talent and time. He may be right but if you are paid to do it...do what you can!

I believe he is black listed and will never be invited again.
 
...and we agree yet again! :eek: LOL Kidding aside, my thoughts exactly.

I'll share a story from our local club that happened long before I joined. A world class "master" was invited to demo (not sure if it is a State show) and he refused to work on the material provided because he is above it and waste of his talent and time. He may be right but if you are paid to do it...do what you can!

I believe he is black listed and will never be invited again.

The summer before last we had a very well known Bonsai artist come to do a demonstration for our show. He was provided a Juniper that he proceeded to do virtually nothing good with. When he was done I looked at it and I could seriously say any one of a half dozen of our members could have done as well if not better with the material provided and he took most of the day with it. Before someone goes off and thinks I am claiming we have such wonderful talent in our club that is not what this is about. It was, in my opinion, an issue of him thinking we were just a bunch of uneducated no talent rubes that he could get by without putting out first rate work, hell I would have settled for third rate work. I told the powers that be, when it was all over; I could have done that and not charged you a dime for the effort. It really was that bad, almost an insult.

So---what's the point? If any here frequent the IBC site you may have noticed I coined an acronym; the SPLMB the self proclaimed legendary masters of bonsai. These are the kinds of masters that will have a tour arranged for them and then condescend to the people that in some cases have had to scrape up the money to pay their fees. If you or anyone else thinks that they are above and beyond those they have been contracted to share their time with then I think you should do it for free because your services are essentially worthless. I had someone some time ago, in a fit of pissed-offedness claim that if one of my trees was an example of my work I should find something else to do. That is what I say to the people that will take the time and money from a group of enthusiasts and give them a crap effort. Maybe they should find something else to do. Sorry for the rant.
 
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Vance,

Some artists can produce nice trees but need decades. Some can transform a proper stock in just a few hours. Both good but not when played in same arena.

For me a good artist need the following...
Vision - to see the best goal
Horticulture - to know how far a tree can be pushed without croaking.
Courage - to do what is necessary, sacrifice if need be.
Technique/Skill - to deliver
Patience - to enjoy the long process

I believe Graham Potter have all of these (and more). :)
 
Hands down Graham Potter. He appears to be one of these guys that is ready to wrestle the Bear and pull beauty out of garbage. Many of the masters mentioned would not touch a lot of things Graham constantly turns into show quality bonsai. Many of the masters would not touch anything that is not Yamadori or almost finished trees. Time and again, in viewing his videos, I am struck by his imagination and ability to come up with the things he does. You can learn a lot of technique from a lot of masters but not too many that can take you through envisioning master pieces out of trees that should have gone into the compost pile. I feel he is someone that can not only teach me a lot, but teach me the kinds of things I know I need to know. He is kind of that bell I have heard ringing from the mountain tops but have not, till now, been able to locate. JMHO


Vance I think you do know where the bell is. But I understand, once we claim we know, we may stop hearing it altogether.
 
As my wife has already alluded to ... Having Kathy Shaner visit our home soon is a long time dream come true. I am looking forward to one killer afternoon!

Other would surely include Hans as I have always loved his way with Larch (something that keeps showing up in the collection) ...

Kobiashi would be someone great to get to spend time with just discussing the art and sensitivity of display not to mention bonsai as a whole.

I think I would be happy to spend as much time as possible with anyone interested in the art ...
 
Hey Vance-- to this I say: "what I say to the people that will take the time and money from a group of enthusiasts and give them a crap effort. Maybe they should find something else to do. Sorry for the rant."
Although this has not happened to me, and I hope it never does, it is a simple fix even if you lose once: Dont bring them back, and if you can do it diplomatically, let them know that you were not happy. Too many times consumers just sit back and take it. I say give them feedback, so that the next club they go to doesnt get "jinned".
 
Hey Vance-- to this I say: "what I say to the people that will take the time and money from a group of enthusiasts and give them a crap effort. Maybe they should find something else to do. Sorry for the rant."
Although this has not happened to me, and I hope it never does, it is a simple fix even if you lose once: Dont bring them back, and if you can do it diplomatically, let them know that you were not happy. Too many times consumers just sit back and take it. I say give them feedback, so that the next club they go to doesnt get "jinned".

You can bet if given the opportunity and it was within my place I would have said something. Because of what I was doing for the show at the time I was not around when the cake came out of the oven, so to speak.
 
As my wife has already alluded to ... Having Kathy Shaner visit our home soon is a long time dream come true. I am looking forward to one killer afternoon!

Other would surely include Hans as I have always loved his way with Larch (something that keeps showing up in the collection) ...

Kobiashi would be someone great to get to spend time with just discussing the art and sensitivity of display not to mention bonsai as a whole.

I think I would be happy to spend as much time as possible with anyone interested in the art ...

I'd like to spend a day or two working with Kathy...have seen her a few times now (MABS demo, local club demo, sat in on a couple of workshops) and she is extremely knowledgeable...and also able to convey that knowledge in a very positive/encouraging way.
 
Great Question. I guess I have too many picks.

In the U.S:
-Boon Manakitivipart
-Peter Tea
-Ryan Neil
-Michael Haggedorn
-Randy Knight

In Japan:-I'd love to spend a weekend with any of the quality Bonsai growers that grow out seedlings, cuttings and airlayers before really working on the branches. Or I'd love to learn from many of the Bonsai Professionals over there.
-Nobuichi Urushibata
-Takeo Kawabe
-Junichiro Tanaka
-Aikio Kondo
-Daisaku Nomoto
-Probably 100 other Professionals
 
Dream time:
Money no object, spend time in Japan, visit at least 100 masters. Work a deal and import to USA trees bought there. Of course the costs of quarantine, material, and travel is prohibitive.

Just spent a little time with Ted Mattson today. You know, of all the 'masters' I have had workshops with, Ted is the BEST TEACHER, by far. He gears his information to the level you are at, yet gives enough to push you to ahead to the next level. I am at the intermediate stages of learning, Ted is able to really reinforce the basic skill set and really teach. His designs are not as wild or 'out there' as some, but his suggestions are very do-able with the material in front of him. He stays cognizant of the horticultural requirements and limitations of the tree in front of him. He proposes ideas, but insists you do the cutting, etc. None of my trees have died as a result of suggestions from him. He understands a tree's horticultural limits. I can't say the same for other teachers. He doesn't propose things that would take years and years to heal and look natural. He keeps most of what he proposes in line with a 5 to 10 year time line.

Ryan Neil would be my USA based dream teacher, especially if I also had the money to buy more than just one of his finished trees. He has some fabulous stock, fantastic vision, tremendous energy, and is a worthy student and representative of his teacher Kimura's vision in the US. I am just not sure my skills are up to a level where I could really take advantage of what Ryan Neil has to offer. I need to get on top of my game first.

As to Vance's "Self Proclaimed Bonsai Master" I think I recognize of whom you speak and concur with your opinion. He won't get another dime of my business, and I believe there is a ban from our local club too on this person's return.

I had one teacher, who I like as a person, and is pretty good all in all, while contemplating a position for a branch in a design, bent a branch on my 150+ year old ponderosa pine back, and forth and back and forth until by the time he was done, within 2 weeks the branch died because it had been flexed and stressed to the point where the cambium was torn. He was someone who should have known better. Oh well, no names as I otherwise do like the guy, and he has a pretty good artistic vision too. Even the best occasionally goof up.

Yes, I think within the next 5 years I will definitely do at least a workshop with Ryan Neil, a gift to myself.
 
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A mega bonsainut workshop where 30+ forum members came to share trees, stories, and IPAs. I reckon I'd learn a great deal from that. Maybe even about bonsai too.
 
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