Critique Wanted

I'm still trying to figure out what "you were aped" is supposed to mean.

Tree looked better before the work.
I obviously don’t understand the point of this thread. Somehow I ruined thus thread by critiquing the tree? And he had already restyled the tree when he posted the first picture?

I think he was wanting newbies to say something about it. I don’t really know.

But if that was what he was after, why? I mean, what good is a newbie’s critique? shouldn’t be critiquing, they should be observing and asking questions.

Several years ago, there was a very prolific poster on here who would always start off his posts with, “I’m a newbie, but what I would do is...” Well, why would anyone think the advice he’s about to give has any value at all?

I’m not trying to discourage newbies from posting, not at all. I just don’t understand why Smoke would post a picture, ask for critiques and then get mad because two people who are pretty good at JBP gave thoughtful critiques.
 
I obviously don’t understand the point of this thread. Somehow I ruined thus thread by critiquing the tree? And he had already restyled the tree when he posted the first picture?

I think he was wanting newbies to say something about it. I don’t really know.

But if that was what he was after, why? I mean, what good is a newbie’s critique? shouldn’t be critiquing, they should be observing and asking questions.

Several years ago, there was a very prolific poster on here who would always start off his posts with, “I’m a newbie, but what I would do is...” Well, why would anyone think the advice he’s about to give has any value at all?

I’m not trying to discourage newbies from posting, not at all. I just don’t understand why Smoke would post a picture, ask for critiques and then get mad because two people who are pretty good at JBP gave thoughtful critiques.
That's it in a nutshell..."his games and where he wants them to go...without sharing the rules." Was a bust...and he's not happy about it.
 
Ape is "singe" in French. The verb "singer" means to caricature, to imitate as a joke.
 
Ape is "singe" in French. The verb "singer" means to caricature, to imitate as a joke.

It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me the way it was used. Best I can come up with is, he thinks he somehow made fun of everyone by acting like a newbie? Thus mocking us all somehow?

I obviously don’t understand the point of this thread. Somehow I ruined thus thread by critiquing the tree? And he had already restyled the tree when he posted the first picture?

I think he was wanting newbies to say something about it. I don’t really know.

But if that was what he was after, why? I mean, what good is a newbie’s critique? shouldn’t be critiquing, they should be observing and asking questions.

Several years ago, there was a very prolific poster on here who would always start off his posts with, “I’m a newbie, but what I would do is...” Well, why would anyone think the advice he’s about to give has any value at all?

I’m not trying to discourage newbies from posting, not at all. I just don’t understand why Smoke would post a picture, ask for critiques and then get mad because two people who are pretty good at JBP gave thoughtful critiques.

So the "New to bonsai" forum has a note that says

New to the art of bonsai? This forum is for you! Feel free to ask any questions for more information or general assistance.

The implication is that newbies should post here so they can get help from others. Now, it says nothing about who can offer that help. Would it make sense for only newbies to be able to try to help other newbies in this forum? No! I think the idea is that newbie questions could be put here and people who want to help them would answer, and keep those kinds of questions from overwhelming the rest of the forums.

So if he only wanted newbie answers, he should have stated that in the post.

Who knows what he was really after. Was he confused? Just more mind games? Probably he just wants people talking about him and look...here we are doing just that! Maybe if we all stop responding to his provocations he'll stop.
 
I am not sure what you are looking for here Smoke. You are supposedly quite advanced in your bonsai skills yet you post a tree that needs so much. It is not an attractive tree at all and I am sure with your level of skill that you know this.
So fix it or burn it. You know what it needs.
 
"Aped" is a mostly derogatory word to describe imitate--From the dictionary "to imitate the behavior or manner of (someone or something), especially in an absurd or unthinking way"

I have no idea what's running through Smoke's mind on this, but he's probably being cutesy and clever. It's neither one of those, though. It's just tiresome. :rolleyes:
 
Just Mirrors.

Les miroirs feraient bien de réfléchir un peu plus avant de renvoyer les images. (Jean Cocteau)

Automatic, literal translation : "Mirrors would do well to think a little more before sending back the images"

It's based on a pun, a "double-entendre" : "réfléchir" means both to reflect (like a mirror can reflect your image) and think (over). One of my favourites quotes actually, a very humbling sort of haiku in a way.... ;)
 
It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me the way it was used. Best I can come up with is, he thinks he somehow made fun of everyone by acting like a newbie? Thus mocking us all somehow?



So the "New to bonsai" forum has a note that says

New to the art of bonsai? This forum is for you! Feel free to ask any questions for more information or general assistance.

The implication is that newbies should post here so they can get help from others. Now, it says nothing about who can offer that help. Would it make sense for only newbies to be able to try to help other newbies in this forum? No! I think the idea is that newbie questions could be put here and people who want to help them would answer, and keep those kinds of questions from overwhelming the rest of the forums.

So if he only wanted newbie answers, he should have stated that in the post.

Who knows what he was really after. Was he confused? Just more mind games? Probably he just wants people talking about him and look...here we are doing just that! Maybe if we all stop responding to his provocations he'll stop.


This might clear up your confusion (3rd paragraph down in this post)...very strange thread indeed, well this one and the one I've linked 😂

 
In response to the OP, @Smoke --
You want to know how a tru newbie sees this tree, in this single photograph? OK, then. I may get laughed off the forum, but I'll be honest:

I think its ugly. VERY ugly. The first thing I see is that pot. Its just so wrong for this tree. It's too deep, not wide enough, and the color literally pisses me off. I wanna see a brown rectangle. I wanna see more masculine lines and feet that offer visual stability. Then I see those wires at the base. They're ugly. There's a weird root dangling over there. Is it cool? Is it ugly? Its just kind of....there.... Then I see a bulging, reverse taper right in the center, nicely framed and showcased by dead and dying, spindly, disproportionate twigs and thin, off-color foliage. The needles are long AND sparse, which is an extra sexy combo to my untrained eyes. At the apex, the viewer is greeted by a blurry-assed branch that seems dead set on poking me in the forehead. I mean, why is it even there? I appreciate that the photo has a shallow depth of field, though, because at least I can see a little bit of dimensionality.

Aside from those minor flaws, great tree, dude.


Here's the deal: It's hard for a newbie to critique trees because most of the time, we still don't have the knowledge needed to correct the issues we see.


***I'm a newbie, but what I would do is..... (lol sry @Adair M )

...But honestly, what I would probably do is:
I would hate the composition because the pot is a terrible match.
I would be frustrated because the needles are too long, look yellowish, and I still don't know how to fix it.
I would spend ten or twenty minutes looking at the tree every day, and thinking "fuck, way too much water.....or....wait, not enough water?"
I'd wonder whether it needs fertilizer, or shade, or maybe it wants me to sing to it....
I would focus on the reverse taper.
I would focus on the loopy-looking branches and wonder if they should be straightened out more. (Those big, U-shaped swoops remind me of the Cheshire Cat's grin.)
I would wonder if that root is a cool feature or an eyesore. I'd eventually get the nerve to cut it off, then I'd worry that I killed the tree.

In short: I'd fiddle with this tree until it was dead. Super dead. And then I'd come crawling back to Bnut for some more studying. I'd work on more trees, and seek advice. I'd keep trying. I'd keep learning. And I'd try to stay humble and willing to learn more, no matter how good my creations become.
 
It’s interesting that a couple have called this tree ugly. It is much better material than what I would start with for my first pine.
tough crowd.
 
It’s interesting that a couple have called this tree ugly. It is much better material than what I would start with for my first pine.
tough crowd.

This just solidifies my Noobhood. SO MUCH TO LEARN!!!
 
It depends what side of the double edge blade you're sitting on IMO.

It's both.

Pretty compared to a Nonsai Shrub.

Ugly compared to a Bonsai.

Sorce
 
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