Artisans Cup selections

[coh]

I still wouldn't mind purchasing the book even after seeing the pics on facebook.

Depends on the price. Seems like this was an "expensive" event. If they put out a $100 book, I'd probably pass. $50 or so (similar to Bill's National Exhibition albums), I'd probably get it.

 

[rockm]

I still wouldn't mind purchasing the book even after seeing the pics on facebook.

I'd guess the book is going to cost up towards $100. I'd be surprised if it was less than $50. Part of the show is the sizzle. Making things like photos too easy to get lessens that. Of course, it gets old very quickly and tends to turn people off.

 

[JudyB]

I agree that it's great that a book will be put out, but some people may not be able to afford a book that will likely be pretty expensive, so it's nice to see some photos.

 

[barrosinc]

I'd guess the book is going to cost up towards $100. I'd be surprised if it was less than $50.

That is a bit expensive... considering kokufu books are less than that (I think... I don't know MSRP... but I bought some 5 year old ones for 60 bucks)

 

[Vin]

Never.

 

[Dav4]

I was actually very surprised that pictures from the exhibition hit the web so quickly. I was assuming from the get go that a commemorative photo book was in the offing and non sanctioned photo taking wouldn't be allowed until I saw all these images showing up on facebook.

 

[Chicago_Willows]

... Ryan Neil has threatened to sue at least one photographer for posting images to Facebook already.

If there are any lawsuits associated with this show then it will truly be American Bonsai.

 

[MACH5]

I hope if they have this show in the future, there will be different divisions for conifers and deciduous. Why are some people allowed to post photos on FB and not others? I think it's good that there are photos out there, something with this much hype behind it, it'd be sad for the majority of bonsai folks who couldn't see it if not. Like a non-event hidden behind a curtain.

I thought the same. I'd like to see different divisions in the future much like at the US National. Its hard to judge these massive, "loud" conifers against the more quite disposition of a deciduous tree.

 

[michaelj]

Someone told me there was a tree exhibited in a vacuum cleaner? Were they testing my gullibility or did that actually happen? I certainly didn't see any vacuums in the photos that were available online.

 

[fredtruck]

That's true, actually. I saw it in several online photos.

 

[fredtruck]

I was actually very surprised that pictures from the exhibition hit the web so quickly. I was assuming from the get go that a commemorative photo book was in the offing and non sanctioned photo taking wouldn't be allowed until I saw all these images showing up on facebook.

It's more and more standard in art museums across the country to allow photo taking. Almost everyone has smart phones with cameras. It's more and more difficult for museum staff to control picture taking.

 

[coh]

Someone told me there was a tree exhibited in a vacuum cleaner? Were they testing my gullibility or did that actually happen? I certainly didn't see any vacuums in the photos that were available online.

Is that what happens to the tree voted "suckiest bonsai"?

 

[Arcto]

They simply requested no flash, and don't take pictures of all the trees. Seemed more for the courtesy of others.

 

[Arcto]

There was a tree in a vacuum. I didn't recognize it as a vacuum when I first saw it. Maybe more people would have figured it out if it had been planted on a IRobot Rumba.

 

[Dav4]

Someone told me there was a tree exhibited in a vacuum cleaner? Were they testing my gullibility or did that actually happen? I certainly didn't see any vacuums in the photos that were available online.

I'm pretty sure this was Crust's larch...the picture I saw showed a tree next to an old streamlined vacuum cleaner.

 

[bonsaiBlake]

It was a Kirby. With a formal upright bunjin style larch. By far my favorite of the show. Almost Nick Lenz'ish

 

[Rose Mary]

I was actually very surprised that pictures from the exhibition hit the web so quickly. I was assuming from the get go that a commemorative photo book was in the offing and non sanctioned photo taking wouldn't be allowed until I saw all these images showing up on facebook.

Cameras were not supposed to be allowed but they didn't really stop the average phone or cheap cams. Professionals not as they had a photographer for the event

 

[carp]

I'm pretty sure this was Crust's larch...the picture I saw showed a tree next to an old streamlined vacuum cleaner.

Yes, a Larch and collaborative piece with Nick Lenz.

I'd considered shipping a tree out there, but $400 for it to sit in the back of a truck for two or three days and possibly get damaged was just too steep of a price. Not surprised Neil is looking to sue. Wonder how much $$ on the backend he's expecting to make on albums, etc. Not begrudging him that. He put up his time and effort to put the show together and manage it. Didn't know that most of the trees in it were styled by him...Far too many Rocky Mountain conifers for me. Even the big showy pinesjuniperspruces all blend together into an impressive, yet somehow vanilla-looking lot.

Not everyone is doing conifers...or more specifically Rocky Mountain conifers.

I submitted a tree, three days before deadline because of an email that was forwarded to me by the president of BSF. Even though the tree were to be displayed on behalf of a public collection, my garden could not afford the price, but I was going to fork out the money myself to have the tree displayed. Because of how time constrained I was, I couldn't submit a full entry form; which required photos of the tree in leaf, defoliated, and the entire composition including stand and accent. The submission's were free, so the worst they could say is no, and they did. I had full trust in Ryan's transportation services. Ryan forked out $420,000 to put this show together, even took a loan out against his house to make this happen. Do you think a bonsai professional, who aims to elevate the standards of bonsai in the US, would allow a crew of inept movers transport bonsai for his show? I don't think so.

Knowing that he himself put up that money, do you think he is counting on making profits from selling photo albums? In fact, I'd be surprised if even after selling 1,000 photo albums at $100 a piece if the man made a profit. So threatening to sue for sharing images is a little asinine.

And also, keep in mind it was a bonsai show in the Northwest US, put together by a Northwestern US resident. Ryan loves US conifers, and it was his show after all. Beside, there were Buttonwood, Jaboticaba, Japanese Maples, Vine Maples, Olive, Beech, Larch and Redwood, all that I can recall seeing photo's of off the top of my head.

 

[carp]

 

[Jase]

It was a Kirby. With a formal upright bunjin style larch. By far my favorite of the show. Almost Nick Lenz'ish

I don't mind seeing the occasional odd ball display, but it seems to me more people remember the vacuum cleaner than the actual tree. It works for the novelty value but IMO a tree should be good enough to impress on its own without needing gimmicks to be remembered. In this case the tree may have been impressive but everyone is talking about the vacuum cleaner!