Artisans Cup selections

[Adair M]

It makes sense that the alternated be "local". It would be difficult for me to bring a tree from GA at the last minute if someone didn't show up.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke, that's the list of acceptances. Not the list of all that submitted candidates.

What I am wondering is if 55 percent of all submissions were from the States you mentioned.

Were 55 percent of the 300 total submitted from the Pac NW and Cali?

The list of acceptance kinda tells the story don't you think? It does not matter where they "all" came from, it only matters from where they were accepted.

 

[Owen Reich]

I am sorry to see BVF's tree didn't make it.... Maybe there is something to the rumors about Bjorn and Owen and the village boys??

That is how rumors propagate and people "involved" react to outside stimuli. My client's Taxus cuspidata was accepted. I also offered to drive a truck for the postponed previous time-slot for the event and have cleared my schedule to help with this one.

This is an art exhibition and in pure principle, a wonderful event. If you've ever organized a show, you start with "what you want" and either pony up $ or compromise.

Even if I don't go, I hope the event is successful and get bonsai more "street cred".

Brian's juniper looks very nice.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke, that's the list of acceptances. Not the list of all that submitted candidates.

What I am wondering is if 55 percent of all submissions were from the States you mentioned.

Were 55 percent of the 300 total submitted from the Pac NW and Cali?

55 percent were from the trees accepted. 39 trees out of 70 came from Oregon, Wasington State and Cali.

 

[A Random User]

Everything nowadays is a conspiracy...
If a bear poops in the woods, folks here would want to know if it was Pacific NW woods?
Or Georgia woods...

 

[M. Frary]

It may have never been a bear even. It could have been me.

 

[crust]

Actually, it will be me and it is a pre-time echo, and not even in the woods but from the dense center of cut rate motel shrubby row.

 

[Adair M]

Everything nowadays is a conspiracy...
If a bear poops in the woods, folks here would want to know if it was Pacific NW woods?
Or Georgia woods...

Just noticing this:

There are no trident maples. Or zelkova.

 

[Dav4]

There was a black bear in my neighbor's back yard 2 weeks ago....and it's a "wooded" back yard.

 

[crust]

I am not sure of the official selection criterium, but it appears that material and creations leaning to amorphous American-origins, seem to be the theme--we shall see.

 

[grouper52]

Everything nowadays is a conspiracy...
If a bear poops in the woods, folks here would want to know if it was Pacific NW woods?
Or Georgia woods...

I usually don’t get involved the the machinations of the high-stakes bonsai “scene,” nor the personalties and politics behind such things. It’s just not my sort of thing. I’m not even involved in the local club. But recently - from several different sources - I have heard variations on the following details. One person has even suggested that I or someone else should do an investigative report on the matter. That doesn’t really interest me, but I thought I’d post this possible rumor to see if there might be any truth behind it.

- If I understand correctly, the Portland Artisans Cup is - by its very name - being promoted as an "artisans" competition.

- If I understand correctly, the Pacific Rim Collection has five entries.

- If I understand correctly, the Pacific Rim Collection is not an "artisan," but a collection of other people's work.

- If I understand correctly, the Pacific Rim Collection purchased a very expensive tree styled by Ryan Neil around the time it made its entries.

- If I understand correctly, Dave De Groot, the recent curator of the Pacific Rim Collection, is one of the judges for the Artisans Cup.

Any truth to any of this, and does anyone think it should matter?

 

[A Random User]

I usually don’t get involved the the machinations of the high-stakes bonsai “scene,” nor the personalties and politics behind such things. It’s just not my sort of thing. I’m not even involved in the local club. But recently - from several different sources - I have heard variations on the following details. One person has even suggested that I or someone else should do an investigative report on the matter. That doesn’t really interest me, but I thought I’d post this possible rumor to see if there might be any truth behind it.

- If I understand correctly, the Portland Artisans Cup is - by its very name - being promoted as an "artisans" competition.

- If I understand correctly, the Pacific Rim Collection has five entries.

- If I understand correctly, the Pacific Rim Collection is not an "artisan," but a collection of other people's work.

- If I understand correctly, the Pacific Rim Collection purchased a very expensive tree styled by Ryan Neil around the time it made its entries.

- If I understand correctly, Dave De Groot, the recent curator of the Pacific Rim Collection, is one of the judges for the Artisans Cup.

Any truth to any of this, and does anyone think it should matter?

Not quite sure why you quoted me? I don't concern myself with much regarding this site anymore. I just post up pictures of what I am doing in my two threads cause I enjoy showing off my work, cause I bust my ass all the time working very hard to improve.

Occasionally, I offer up advice to those who ask about my work and why, or how I am doing what I am doing.

Thanks!

 

[Waldo Street Pottery]

Here's an idea- Let's see your submitted trees that were NOT accepted (Thanks Adair for posting yours). How about a Bonsai Nut Cup (lol) of our own. Maybe a non-political judgement will help your submission for next year.

 

[reddog]

[QUOTE="grouper52,

- If I understand correctly, Dave De Groot, the recent curator of the Pacific Rim Collection, is one of the judges for the Artisans Cup.

Any truth to any of this, and does anyone think it should matter?[/QUOTE]

No, it does not matter.

 

[grouper52]

Here's an idea- Let's see your submitted trees that were NOT accepted (Thanks Adair for posting yours). How about a Bonsai Nut Cup (lol) of our own. Maybe a non-political judgement will help your submission for next year.

Just wow, sir! - I mean, you've just got to know how sensitive and susceptible I am to that kind of snarky put-down, and how completely, painfully devastating your world-class-wit has been to my delicate psyche . . .

Truth is, several people encouraged me to submit some trees back when this thing was first set up. I typically couldn't care less about such things anyway (as mentioned above), but the entry requirements were a big turn off, so I did what I usually do - I ignored it. I'd be ignoring it now if it weren't for the fact that, if what several different people say is true, it smells a bit fishy, and it's a big deal if something this big smells a bit fishy. I was actually hoping for someone here to say that the facts I was given were wrong, and specifically the ways in which they were wrong, because the allegations are troubling - but it sounds like you can't be helpful in that regard. Maybe someone can: I'd be very happy to hear that the factual info I was given is wrong.

 

[0soyoung]

I'd be ignoring it now if it weren't for the fact that, if what several different people say is true, it smells a bit fishy, and it's a big deal if something this big smells a bit fishy. I was actually hoping for someone here to say that the facts I was given were wrong, and specifically the ways in which they were wrong, because the allegations are troubling - but it sounds like you can't be helpful in that regard. Maybe someone can: I'd be very happy to hear that the factual info I was given is wrong.

Those facts have been laying around for some time, Will.

... yawn ...

 

[Waldo Street Pottery]

Just wow, sir! - I mean, you've just got to know how sensitive and susceptible I am to that kind of snarky put-down, and how completely, painfully devastating your world-class-wit has been to my delicate psyche . . .

Truth is, several people encouraged me to submit some trees back when this thing was first set up. I typically couldn't care less about such things anyway (as mentioned above), but the entry requirements were a big turn off, so I did what I usually do - I ignored it. I'd be ignoring it now if it weren't for the fact that, if what several different people say is true, it smells a bit fishy, and it's a big deal if something this big smells a bit fishy. I was actually hoping for someone here to say that the facts I was given were wrong, and specifically the ways in which they were wrong, because the allegations are troubling - but it sounds like you can't be helpful in that regard. Maybe someone can: I'd be very happy to hear that the factual info I was given is wrong.

No put down intended, for real. I hear there are politics in bonsai, and as long as bonsai clubs have presidents, I suppose there will be politics. Being a potter and dipping my toe in the water of vending at shows, inevitably politics will come into play at some point. Not a day I look forward to. My suggestion was to see what was not accepted vs. what was accepted. I'm looking forward to the event, I think I'm gonna have fun. Politics be damned!

 

[Djtommy]

I bet its gonna be a reall awesome show.
I would love to be there.

 

[Paradox]

There was a black bear in my neighbor's back yard 2 weeks ago....and it's a "wooded" back yard.

So the real question is: "Did it poop there?"

 

[Djtommy]

Some pics are uploaded on
http://www.bonsaiempire.com/blog/artisans-cup
Looks like a pretty fancy showarea.