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" dial down a bit, debate, but don't be a dick."

Oh and I'm the not very polite one? Pompus much? Give me a break.
This thread is not about Bonsai it's about Donald Trump. I didn't chime in until the weenie snowflakes got their panties all in a wad ( as well as you seem to have) with their brain dead political correctness.

I am enjoying all of your snowflake discomfort and expressing my enjoyment by pulling your chains without once resorting to any profanity as you all do. You and all your fellow snowflakes want me to dial it down? SORRY, the truth can't be dialed down- live with it.

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" dial down a bit, debate, but don't be a dick."

Oh and I'm the not very polite one? Pompus much? Give me a break.
This thread is not about Bonsai it's about Donald Trump. I didn't chime in until the weenie snowflakes got their panties all in a wad ( as well as you seem to have) with their brain dead political correctness.

I am enjoying all of your snowflake discomfort and expressing my enjoyment by pulling your chains without once resorting to any profanity as you all do. You and all your fellow snowflakes want me to dial it down? SORRY, the truth can't be dialed down- live with it.

A_E
Well you really are a class act! I have little experience in this digital world, but I do believe I have met my first troll. Carry on with whatever it is you do...
 
but if that's your definition of "Democracy"

The US isn't a democracy. We're a constitutional republic, and while you're free to think whatever you want about the electoral college, it was created for specific reasons. If you want to learn more, feel free.
 
Revelation is false prophecy (nothing he prophesied would happen "soon" came to pass within the next 20 centuries) and it should have been rejected by every Christian church, as it directly contradicts Christ's teachings. If you live your life worrying about what John of Patmos wrote, you are blowing off what Christ taught.

The majority of Revelation WAS fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in about AD 70 as promised in the lifetimes of some alive that day. No prophecy of God is false! Your "understanding/perspective" is false. The remaining part does speak of the end time.
 
... that were reported decades after his death by second-, or even third- or fouth hand testimonies.

Centuries later, the church selected which account(s) suited best their interests.

It's the same with the Kuran.

But there are alternative truths, of course. Ask your orange clown, he will tweet you his real truth.

The pencil felt thick and awkward in his fingers. He began to write down the thoughts that came into his head. He wrote first in large clumsy capitals:

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

Then almost without a pause he wrote beneath it:

TWO AND TWO MAKE FIVE

But then there came a sort of check. His mind, as though shying away from something, seemed unable to concentrate. He knew that he knew what came next, but for the moment he could not recall it. When he did recall it, it was only by consciously reasoning out what it must be: it did not come of its own accord. He wrote:

GOD IS POWER

He accepted everything.

Alain:rolleyes:you do not live here and you have NO business in OUR politics nor do you understand anything about Gods Word. Why don't you just BUTT OUT and SHUT UP! Keep your visits concerned with Bonsai.
 
Oh what the *. Gotta respond.
but it seems that everybody in the world wants to come here

You keep saying this, and I will say again. This is a very big misconception. A VERY large part of the world would never even want to live in the US of A. Sorry. The USA is NOT the greatest country in the world, by ANY measure.

How long before some people are banned from their jobs because of their origins, or philosohical beliefs?
Too late. That happened yesterday already. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/trump-immigration-ban-memo.html?_r=0
Really.. Dictator in the making.

Alain:rolleyes:you do not live here and you have NO business in OUR politics nor do you understand anything about Gods Word. Why don't you just BUTT OUT and SHUT UP! Keep your visits concerned with Bonsai.
Sorry to say, but what is happening in the USA is directly affecting Europe. So yeah, it is our business too.
Hm.. Which GOD would that be? God of Abraham?
 
@AlainK
All you need to come to grips with is this: Your line of thought is not mainstream thought in America. Hence, Trump won.
You, and people in the US like you (self hating, anti Americans), have SEEMED like the mainstream of thought for the last 8 years, simply due to corrupt democtat sycophantic media coverage (aka propaganda). I can get deeper if you want, but that is the guts of it.
And would you shut up about Democracy already, this is supposed to be a representative republic, not a democracy, in fact, things like the electoral college are in place to prevent democracy (aka mob rule).
The proof is in the numbers; if you take away the votes from NYC and LA County, Trump wins the popular vote by half a million. (That's not considering all the dead people, illegals and double voting democrats.)
America doesn't want 2 cities making all our decisions for us, kinda like how Britain didn't want a bunch of foreigners in Brussels making decisions for them, hence Brexit.
I suggest you go find a refugee family to bring into your home and show them all the love and compassion you have, spend your time with them and forget about spewing your anti American hate in this forum.
Good day.
 
It's good you mention the Vichy régime: here too we have nitwits like you that are nolstagic about this kind of ideology. Maybe it's high time we take properly care of fascists like you.
What makes you think so? On the contrary you are the one who is fascist , calling to take proper care of those who don't share your vision
of what freedom and democracy is . I showed you how ministry of truth that you are blindly following and swallow everything they say , uses the same terminology as Goebbels did.

7 out of 8 Jewish children were saved from the holocaust in France, in spite of the policies of ethnic cleansing of fascists. They were hidden and taken care of by other French people, catholics, protestants, atheists, etc who had values that you apparently don't share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Croatian_Righteous_Among_the_Nations

I won't go further to show you how blind you are but awakening has come to Sweden,so it will to you too, unless you follow your minister
who told you to drop your pants and band over.
 
The US isn't a democracy. We're a constitutional republic, and while you're free to think whatever you want about the electoral college, it was created for specific reasons. If you want to learn more, feel free.
ABSOLUTELY, we are a Constitutionally limited Democracy within a republic. The election system is set up so that the entire country matters in an election not just the big population sites like New York, the East Coast and the West Coast. And guess what; us unwashed, ignorant, racist, homophobic, Bible Thumping, gun totten, ass holes, like the ones that told England to hit the road, finally rose up, turned around, dropped our drawers and told you to kiss it; and elected Trump. In short; you pissed off the America that funds your garbage and we're done with you.

In the past we have been too busy feeding our children and working a job to worry much about the political process trusting that in the end things will work out. However; you are starting to flood our communities with immigrants that take over a majority where ever you drop them and run us out of our homes. They refuse to assimilate and forever distort and corrupt our local way of life. Do you think America is going to roll over for long?

We are not talking about being anti immigrant we are talking about being anti cultural realignment which is what this is headed for if it is not stopped. You don't like the Constitution, wait till you see Sharia, you're really going to like this bunch of stupid laws with a head chopper to make sure you follow it.
 
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M.Frary -- You and I agree on this. So how is it you cling to the corrosive ideas of the So-Called "progressives" that you do? I always liked your comments on Bonsai but on politics or ideology you are out in the weeds.

But at least you agree with what Vance has written and maybe there is hope for you yet.

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ou keep saying this, and I will say again. This is a very big misconception. A VERY large part of the world would never even want to live in the US of A. Sorry. The USA is NOT the greatest country in the world, by ANY measure.

Well good for you all. There is no problem then -- Just stay out, we will do quite well without you and your ilk. Enjoy your muslim lunatic overrun country and your wonderful leader Angela.

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Here is a really obvious thought, so obvious I am amazed even at my self that it has not been pointed out before. You can rant and rave and write volumes of coherent text about how bad and rotten and mean and anti this and anti that and how evil the right is and Donald Trump and Vance Wood are in particular, but how do you address the following????? During the campaign, election and afterwards where there was rioting in the streets, the burning of businesses, the breaking of windows, the burning of cars, the assault on passer bys, the assault and murder of police officers------any of this ring a bell? Who was responsible for this mayhem? The left-----That's who. The Liberals, the progressives the really good people who are so interested in equality who are screaming about the Constitution that's who. It has not been the right, the conservitives, the Christians or the breeders/straights, or the Middle Class White guys. It has been the Democrats and their allies, in a large part funded by an outside source; George Soros I suspect.
 
Here is a really obvious thought, so obvious I am amazed even at my self that it has not been pointed out before. You can rant and rave and write volumes of coherent text about how bad and rotten and mean and anti this and anti that and how evil the right is and Donald Trump and Vance Wood are in particular, but how do you address the following????? During the campaign, election and afterwards where there was rioting in the streets, the burning of businesses, the breaking of windows, the burning of cars, the assault on passer bys, the assault and murder of police officers------any of this ring a bell? Who was responsible for this mayhem? The left-----That's who. The Liberals, the progressives the really good people who are so interested in equality who are screaming about the Constitution that's who. It has not been the right, the conservitives, the Christians or the breeders/straights, or the Middle Class White guys. It has been the Democrats and their allies, in a large part funded by an outside source; George Soros I suspect.
Absolutely, Vance.
Absolutely true.
 
Have you learned to duck yet @just- wing it? Agreeing with me has consequences but thank you any way.
 
Too late. That happened yesterday already. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/trump-immigration-ban-memo.html?_r=0
Really.. Dictator in the making.

Yeah, and this is something I think Trump should be very good at. The business end of our federal government is pretty messed up. Early in my career I worked for a global accounting firm, and we audited a few federal agencies. The amount of mismanagement and time wasting was astounding. Granted, I know it goes on in the public sector too, but the system of employment within the federal government only encourages waste. I have multiple stories I could tell highlighting how poorly run they are. In the case you cited above, Trump did what any business person would (and should) do.

But this highlights an interesting problem, if you're really concerned about what goes on in US politics. Trump has the legal power to sign the executive order. He's not outside the bounds of the law. The executive branch of our gov't is charged with enforcing the law. The legislative branch makes the laws (Senate and House of Rep). So if the legislature includes provisions in their laws to allow the executive branch to make some decisions (i.e. make policy, or law)... well then the president can do exactly what he just did. With all the uproar from the media about all the EOs Trump has signed in the last few weeks, few have highlighted the fact that he's doing the same thing Obama did 8 years ago, which was the same thing Bush did before that, which is the same thing Clinton did before him... do you see the pattern? Trump isn't going wild with the EOs, in fact many have been almost exactly the same as all the previous presidents I just mentioned. But worldwide media has their own agenda, and it's no longer just reporting what happened.

On another note, have you read the executive order (or anyone on here for that matter)? Has anyone stepped away from the emotions that have been stirred up by the media to think about the what/why? Trump thinks our vetting system is broken, and he wants to make sure it's sound before allowing refugees in from 7 specific nations. Nations that Obama already labeled as problematic. And while they are all predominately muslim nations, he didn't specifically ban muslims from entering the country, nor did he ban all predominantly muslim nations, and he also didn't only exclude those where he has business relationships. The ban is temporary, not permanent. So let's not pretend this is about race/religion, even though that's what Trump haters are selling (it's a bit paradoxical that you can hate Trump and then say #NOH8). It's about the fact that those countries have significant problems and he doesn't feel like we're doing the best job of protecting our own country's citizens. Whether they can be believed or not, I've read that 15% of Syrian refugees believe ISIS is good, and 20% believe ISIS was created by the US. Can you see why there's room to be worried? I've read about the crime rates caused by refugees in Europe since the flood gates opened. Who exactly has been helped? Are European citizens or the victims of those crimes better off? Are the now (hopefully) incarcerated criminal refugees better off? Or did a bunch of politicians and large media firms with no personal skin in the game just play us all for fools?

Having said that, I don't believe the US system is broken. The only evidence I know of where an individual immigrated from one of those 7 countries that led to a terrorist incident was in San Bernardino, and from what I recall her visa application wasn't fully processed before they issued it (see above re: the inefficiency of our federal government... do you think the person/people working that one got fired?).

If we really want to make sure refugees from foreign countries adopt US values, that's up to us as individuals to get involved and help them integrate. And that doesn't just mean giving money, it means time being face to face with people. But we've become too used to relying on the government to do those things for us. There are case workers for that right? I mean, when do I have the time to go help a fellow man? I'd rather just pay more in taxes so the government can make someone else do that instead. Are we really engaging with our neighbors to make the our neighborhood/city/state/country a better place? For too long we've been told that the people in Washington can do it better, that they can do it for us. That message needs to stop, and we as people have to step up.
 
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Thank you @chansen for at least giving an answer & showing some insight in the thinking.

Trump isn't going wild with the EOs, in fact many have been almost exactly the same as all the previous presidents I just mentioned.

You might be mistaken there. Have a look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

I've read about the crime rates caused by refugees in Europe since the flood gates opened.
Not sure where you read this. But it is not true. There are less criminal acts by immigrants than by local-born residents

In any case. I am sure the world will keep an anxious eye on the USA situation. And will respond too. Today the netherlands stopped colaboration with the USA customs, in response to the ban. The Netherlands will not enforce the ban, and has stopped allowing US border control on Dutch airports to take place.
 
Thank you @chansen for at least giving an answer & showing some insight in the thinking.



You might be mistaken there. Have a look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders


Not sure where you read this. But it is not true. There are less criminal acts by immigrants than by local-born residents

In any case. I am sure the world will keep an anxious eye on the USA situation. And will respond too. Today the netherlands stopped colaboration with the USA customs, in response to the ban. The Netherlands will not enforce the ban, and has stopped allowing US border control on Dutch airports to take place.

You're welcome. Like I said, I don't know if I entirely agree with what he's thinking, but it's not a knee-jerk racist/whatever other -ist you want to throw out there reaction that the media wants us to think it is. Quite honestly, I'm a little shocked the media hasn't tried to right the ship and get back to basic reporting. They totally missed it with the presidential election over here, and instead of getting back to basics, they've just upped the ante on their agenda pushing tactics.

As for the EOs, I'm not quite sure what I'm mistaken on. If you can clarify that would help. I know that many of the initial EOs from Trump aren't any different than previous presidents, like the orders on climate change. A more senior member of the EPA over here, that has been through multiple presidential changes in the past, said that Trump's order on what policies/etc. will be officially communicated wasn't any different than what other presidents had done in the past. That's more of what I was alluding to. The nature of many of the orders aren't really that different that any other incoming president.

As for the crime stats, I may well be wrong. But the times there are crimes they make for pretty powerful stories, and those resonate with people. Last year in San Francisco a young woman was killed by an illegal alien, with a gun that was stolen from a police officer. But not only was he there illegally, he was a known illegal and they released him because San Fran is a sanctuary city. But what people see is a crime that could have (and should have) never happened if we had enforced a law we were capable of enforcing. Now a family has lost a daughter all because city officials thought they were above the law. I know illegal aliens and refugees are not the same, but the feeling from people is often the same. New people, who may/may not belong here committed a crime that would have been prevented if we had been more careful with the people we let in.

But more importantly to everyday people... we are essentially powerless to do anything about it. I think it's that powerlessness that has given rise to many of the recent populist movements. When governments take too much control from the people, at some point people push back. They want to retain a feeling that they're in charge of their identity/lives. Many Americans lost that over the last 8 years. And all the protesting, rioting, etc. completely ignore the feelings of a lot of other people and only fuels the motivation of the silent Trump supporters.

Thankfully Trump has promised to make my bonsai great again. I hear he uses a Boon mix, Superthrive, and fertilizes foliage, but we may want to just ask him on Twitter for details.
 
Wrong; Be careful Revelation is the only book in the Bible that comes with a blessing and a curse. Christ taught a lot of stuff.

And all those wild things in Revelation were not taught by Christ. John Patmos says his "Revelation" is addressed to "seven churches in Asia" of things that must "soon take place" . . . "for the time is near." Rev 1:1-4. It didn't happen, did it? And Jesus' commands us to live a day at a time and not be concerned about the future. Matt 6:25-34.

Moreover, the Jesus who John saw in his trance as described in Revelation promises to kill unborn children (Rev 2:22-23) and judges those with insufficient works and too many sins. This completely conflicts with the entire message of the Gospel about Christ dying for our sins and about salvation coming through faith in Christ. Matt 27:51-545, John 6:29, 6:65. The Gospel says Christ came to save and not destroy, and He will remain with us always. The Jesus John of Patmos saw came to destroy, and does not remain with us always, and punished children with death. A hundred generations have passed, and people still think this is Gospel, and that theirs is the generation who will see these things come to pass. It ain't happening. The only way this is true is if the Gospels are false, and if the Gospels are false, who cares what John of Patmos thinks Jesus told him?

The majority of Revelation WAS fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in about AD 70 as promised in the lifetimes of some alive that day. No prophecy of God is false! Your "understanding/perspective" is false. The remaining part does speak of the end time.

The Roman destruction of the temple in 70 AD is not at all consistent with the prophecy in Revelation, and the obvious reason for that is because it was written at least 20 years later. Almost all modern scholars place the date of the composition of the Book of Revelation between 90-110 AD. There are good reasons for this, not the least of which is the testimony of several early church leaders and writers . Irenaeus places the work at 96 AD. Victorinus places the writing in the context of the persecution of Domitian, and indicates that this was why John was imprisoned on Patmos. Jerome and Eusebius say the same.

In any event, the likelihood that ANY of this has even the remotest connection to anything Donald Trump gets, does, attempts or asserts is virtually nil.
 
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Most every generations that have come along have believed Jesus was coming because the conditions that set that up were a continual revelation of the corrupt nature of man. Jesus said no man knows the day or the time but he did say that the generation that sees Isreal become a nation will see his return. That happened in 1948. This is pretty specific. An event that people could not conceive as possible, but there you go.

Jesus said that generation would not pass away and would see all these things happen. Isreal has been scattered into all the nations until WWII and I think everyone knows what happened there. It would help if you read the Gospels and decided for your self I have no clue what translation you are reading. But you owe it to yourself.

You wrote: It ain't happening. The only way this is true is if the Gospels are false, and if the Gospels are false, who cares what John of Patmos thinks Jesus told him? You and thousands of other people have missed the clues.

The entire Gospel hinges on what happens with Isreal and when it happens. The count down began in 1948 and wont end until the last person born on April 14 1948 is on their death bed. That could be sometime between now and around 2075 if you allow for an extra long life span of one individual.

Before you say well you can believe what you want, and that's true and I will suffer ridicule for doing so. It it's true I wont be here to watch you and others trying to convince God that they deserve to be saved. I am just concerned about you guys that's all. Laugh at me all you want.
 
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