Donald Trump.

[Vance Wood]

Oh wow... religion now too!

Good thing that we're not all sitting in a bar room having these conversations... there'd be a lot of "rich white-ies" laying on the floor with bullet holes in them.

Cop #2 to Cop #1. So... what the hell happened here and what were they shooting each other for?

Cop #1 to Cop #2. They are all members of Bonsainut forum... it appears that it all started with an argument over the "proper" in-organic bonsai mix.

The trouble with discussing this subject and in many cases almost any political subject, you cannot seperate religion from politics. It was the politics of religion that caused the formation of this country in the first place. The immigration issue becomes most definitely a subject of the religion of politics and the politics of religion, they are in this case inseparable. So if you say you cannot talk about religion you are saying you want to ignore at least 50% of the issue. I know there are many people today that like to say religion is meaningless and irrelevant to the modern world; I say to you: You had better wake up because the whole shooting match is coming down to a struggle of Biblical proportions with Biblical consequences. No one likes it but no one can ignore it to the end.

 

[Bolero]

You had better wake up because the whole shooting match is coming down to a struggle of Biblical proportions with Biblical consequences.

Vance could you elaborate on this, and especially What is the Shooting Match ?

 

[Vance Wood]

I was told not to go here. It starts with Rev 20:4

 

[Random User]

Well now... wasn't that revealing!

LMAO

 

[just.wing.it]

I was told not to go here. It starts with Rev 20:4

I like the KJV.

 

[AlainK]

You don't vote for anyone here

Right.

You Usonians - minus a couple of millions voters, but if that's your definition of "Democracy", why not after all - did elect someone to your image, someone who makes clear his values are: greed, lies, racism and ignorance.

The more ignorant and racist people are, the more they will gobble his lies, and since they're as greedy as he is, but are not protected by the millionaires from Wall Street he's working with, you'll just be f***ed deep inside.

No worries, except that his very stupid policy has consequences for us too : after all, why should I care if you Usonians decide to commit suicide? The problem is that that your new government is based on hatred, pollution for everyone, and greed.

Who do you think yu are? You'll soon see...

 

[Random User]

The most admirable trait that a fanatic of any stripe possesses, is their inability to mask who they are, what they stand for, and whom is at risk regarding their thinking... give them the right type of question, in the right circumstance(s), and with the illusion of impunity from repercussions and they will not be able to control their impulse to tell you exactly how YOU should think.

 

[AlainK]

So all Italians are fascists,all German are Nazis, how about a Vichy?

No, they aren't.

7 out of 8 Jewish children were saved from the holocaust in France, in spite of the policies of ethnic cleansing of fascists. They were hidden and taken care of by other French people, catholics, protestants, atheists, etc who had values that you apparently don't share.

It's good you mention the Vichy régime: here too we have nitwits like you that are nolstagic about this kind of ideology. Maybe it's high time we take properly care of fascists like you.

 

[AlainK]

It was the politics of religion that caused the formation of this country in the first place.

Probably, yes. How you interpret it is a horse of a different colour.

Weren't the "Pilgrims" Christian fundamentalists with "values" very similar to Muslim fundamentalists?

The "Pilgrims" survived thanks to friendly locals that very soon they genocized because of "the politics of religion". Wow. Thanksgiving. Slavery, segragation. Make America Great Again!

What's 9/11 for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d'état

Oh, you think that was "great"?

 

[Vance Wood]

Why do you think the Constitution forbids the favoring of one religion over the other. The country was almost one -hundred years old before any thought of a central government became an issue and a Constitution to govern it. America is not perfect but it seems that everybody in the world wants to come here and they get pissed off when all of a sudden they find out we have finally decided that our people can no longer afford to support your sorry, free-loading asses and your unwillingness to assimilate. So for a while we are closing the doors; Sorry all sold out.

 

[michaelj]

I was told not to go here. It starts with Rev 20:4

Revelation is false prophecy (nothing he prophesied would happen "soon" came to pass within the next 20 centuries) and it should have been rejected by every Christian church, as it directly contradicts Christ's teachings. If you live your life worrying about what John of Patmos wrote, you are blowing off what Christ taught.

 

[AlainK]

Why do you think the Constitution forbids the favoring of one religion over the other.

I don't think that your constitution states that.

The president you (minus 2 million voters) you elected says so.

Now you're viewed as a racist bigotted sexist vulgar country by the rest of the tiny world around your Great America Again. OK, you're not all like that, but that's what your system has chosen.

How long before some people are banned from their jobs because of their origins, or philosohical beliefs?

More questions:

- How do you interpret section 9 of the first article of your constitution (Limits on Congress)?

?...

- Any comment on:

Third Article:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[AlainK]

Aren't you ashamed?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805343

 

[Vance Wood]

Revelation is false prophecy (nothing he prophesied would happen "soon" came to pass within the next 20 centuries) and it should have been rejected by every Christian church, as it directly contradicts Christ's teachings. If you live your life worrying about what John of Patmos wrote, you are blowing off what Christ taught.

Wrong; Be careful Revelation is the only book in the Bible that comes with a blessing and a curse. Christ taught a lot of stuff.

 

[AlainK]

Christ taught a lot of stuff.

... that were reported decades after his death by second-, or even third- or fouth hand testimonies.

Centuries later, the church selected which account(s) suited best their interests.

It's the same with the Kuran.

But there are alternative truths, of course. Ask your orange clown, he will tweet you his real truth.

The pencil felt thick and awkward in his fingers. He began to write down the thoughts that came into his head. He wrote first in large clumsy capitals:

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

Then almost without a pause he wrote beneath it:

TWO AND TWO MAKE FIVE

But then there came a sort of check. His mind, as though shying away from something, seemed unable to concentrate. He knew that he knew what came next, but for the moment he could not recall it. When he did recall it, it was only by consciously reasoning out what it must be: it did not come of its own accord. He wrote:

GOD IS POWER

He accepted everything.

 

[fredman]

that were reported decades after his death by second-, or even third- or fouth hand testimonies

It's the same with the Kuran

Might be true for the Koran. The Bible however was written under the guidance of the Holy Spirit

 

[Vance Wood]

Might be true for the Koran. The Bible however was written under the guidance of the Holy Spirit

Of course you will have opened the proverbial can of worms. I hope they don't start blasting that one as well. Talk about digging a hole you can't get out of. I don't think I have ever mentioned it but I was at one time an atheist. So my beliefs are not the legacy of an upbringing they are the results of experience.

 

[americanelmer]

I got something you can suck right here bitch. I ain't no fucking snowflake and I am certainly not the one who was getting my feelings hurt on this thread... whole lotta stupid being tossed around here by people who have zero chance of changing anyone else's mind. I was just making a light hearted comment about how out of control it got... Don't act like you know anything about me, I barely even talk politics online- what's the point? Mindless fucktards and trolls like you are generally what turns up in these shit storms.

Aww your little snowflake feelings are even more hurt.
I don't care if I change your mind, from your reaction above it's obviously not worth changing. Go to your fainting couch now.

 

[americanelmer]

@Vance Wood you wanna talk about what Christians should do? here's American council of Catholic bishop's response to Trump's immigration ban
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You are so gullible.
They are just another bunch of money grubbing opportunists who are sucking on the Gov't teat and hoping that they can get some of the (people) pawns that they use to fill their empty churches.

A_E

 

[Wilson]

You are so gullible.
They are just another bunch of money grubbing opportunists who are sucking on the Gov't teat and hoping that they can get some of the (people) pawns that they use to fill their empty churches.

A_E

Just curious if you participate in any bonsai related threads? You don't seem to have a very polite way of talking with people, and this is quite a nice helpful forum. Maybe you want to dial down a bit, debate, but don't be a dick.