What's the European version of Daconil?

[Gustavo Martins]

I keep reading lots of people talking about using daconil to prevent/cure fungus on deciduous, namely maples. It appears to be a safe bet. However, in Europe, although I can find products that have the active ingredient (chlorothalonil), these are all restricted to farmers and cannot be bought by 'regular' people, such as myself. I would need a farmer's certificate.

Is daconil freely accessible to everyone in the USA?

Do any of the europeans around this forum know of any commercial product widely available that is similar or has the same active ingredient?

 

[Smoke]

I can't believe a garden center there would not have a suitable fungicide for trees. What do you do if you wish to garden? Is the Azores a third world country? Surly people there grow vegetables at home.

 

[milehigh_7]

I keep reading lots of people talking about using daconil to prevent/cure fungus on deciduous, namely maples. It appears to be a safe bet. However, in Europe, although I can find products that have the active ingredient (chlorothalonil), these are all restricted to farmers and cannot be bought by 'regular' people, such as myself. I would need a farmer's certificate.

Is daconil freely accessible to everyone in the USA?

Do any of the europeans around this forum know of any commercial product widely available that is similar or has the same active ingredient?

Aren't you a researcher? Can't you get some through a university contact?

 

[0soyoung]

I have about a pint of Daconil that I haven't used in close to 5 years. A 300 ppm to 1000 ppm hydrogen peroxide solution spray has taken care of all my fungal issues.

Unlike Daconil, hydrogen peroxide is also an effective antibacterial, not to mention being eco-friendly (peroxide releases reactive oxygen and becomes ordinary water. Daconil does leave a residue that is effective prophylactically. Peroxide does not; it acts only on what is present at the time of application.

You should be able to get something like 3% peroxide at your grocery/pharmacy - it is commonly used for popular stuff like a household antiseptic and hair bleaching agent.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

I've read that potassium silicate, copper sulphate solution, sulfur fumes (available for consumers) and hydrogen peroxide can be used as well.

As for the limited availability.. I've seen the multitreatment resistant bugs, I've been dealing with the resistant bacteria.. I think it's better that some magic potions are not allowed for the average consumer. People tend to read the label just once, and never again.

"Safety?! Well, if it doesn't kill instantly, then it's safe right?!" To quote my late grandfather.

 

[Starfox]

This is what is readily available in Spain, you can search the active ingredients but much of it is stuff based on Copper, Aluminium, Dodine etc... and I don't know how well all that stuff is rated or not.

http://www.leroymerlin.es/productos...s_plantas_y_control_de_plagas/fungicidas.html

My spray bottle outside has Myclobutanil, no idea if it is any good though.
Like you I do suspect that most of the commonly recommended products to purchase here you need to do a course, even for round up here you have to.

I can find Mancozeb/Bonide online through amazon but it is very expensive and Daconil I believe is available in the UK but you will have to dig to find someone willing to send it. I doubt it will be too long before such products are banned entirely in the EU really.

 

[markyscott]

I keep reading lots of people talking about using daconil to prevent/cure fungus on deciduous, namely maples. It appears to be a safe bet. However, in Europe, although I can find products that have the active ingredient (chlorothalonil), these are all restricted to farmers and cannot be bought by 'regular' people, such as myself. I would need a farmer's certificate.

Is daconil freely accessible to everyone in the USA?

Do any of the europeans around this forum know of any commercial product widely available that is similar or has the same active ingredient?

Do they sell Bravo there? It is the same stuff.

S

 

[Gustavo Martins]

I can't believe a garden center there would not have a suitable fungicide for trees. What do you do if you wish to garden? Is the Azores a third world country? Surly people there grow vegetables at home.

Yes, there are fungicides... but not daconil. so you think daconil is as good as any other available on garden centres?

And no, the Azores are not a third world country. It's a region of Portugal that like the Hawaii, it's 100's of km away from the mainland and so some products do not find their way here...

 

[Gustavo Martins]

Aren't you a researcher? Can't you get some through a university contact?

I am... but that is not so straightforward.

I have already asked the botany department and they gave me this under the table, which contains Folpet and Metalaxil... But I have no reference about its use or effect.

 

[Gustavo Martins]

I have about a pint of Daconil that I haven't used in close to 5 years. A 300 ppm to 1000 ppm hydrogen peroxide solution spray has taken care of all my fungal issues.

Unlike Daconil, hydrogen peroxide is also an effective antibacterial, not to mention being eco-friendly (peroxide releases reactive oxygen and becomes ordinary water. Daconil does leave a residue that is effective prophylactically. Peroxide does not; it acts only on what is present at the time of application.

You should be able to get something like 3% peroxide at your grocery/pharmacy - it is commonly used for popular stuff like a household antiseptic and hair bleaching agent.

I can try that. Yes, H2O2 is widely available

 

[Gustavo Martins]

I've read that potassium silicate, copper sulphate solution, sulfur fumes (available for consumers) and hydrogen peroxide can be used as well.

As for the limited availability.. I've seen the multitreatment resistant bugs, I've been dealing with the resistant bacteria.. I think it's better that some magic potions are not allowed for the average consumer. People tend to read the label just once, and never again.

"Safety?! Well, if it doesn't kill instantly, then it's safe right?!" To quote my late grandfather.

yes... I agree. Some stuff should not be widely available. In Europe we are heading towards a more nature friendly agriculture and that shows on the limitation of products one can use. However, when I talk to people who actually live from agriculture they all complain that some products that were really effective no longer exist... They are not happy

 

[Gustavo Martins]

This is what is readily available in Spain, you can search the active ingredients but much of it is stuff based on Copper, Aluminium, Dodine etc... and I don't know how well all that stuff is rated or not.

http://www.leroymerlin.es/productos...s_plantas_y_control_de_plagas/fungicidas.html

My spray bottle outside has Myclobutanil, no idea if it is any good though.
Like you I do suspect that most of the commonly recommended products to purchase here you need to do a course, even for round up here you have to.

I can find Mancozeb/Bonide online through amazon but it is very expensive and Daconil I believe is available in the UK but you will have to dig to find someone willing to send it. I doubt it will be too long before such products are banned entirely in the EU really.

Yes, that's pretty much what I can find here. Mostly Bayer or Compo products. None has daconil to my knowledge.

 

[Gustavo Martins]

Do they sell Bravo there? It is the same stuff.

S

Not that I am aware of... Mostly Bayer and Compo lines of products.

 

[Anthony]

Check your soil.Sounds dumb, but unhealthy often starts with the soil.
Good Day
Anthony

* I like how Oso thinks!

 

[Starfox]

This may be worth noting too, or not.

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/11/bee-decline-fungicides-emerge-improbable-villain

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

yes... I agree. Some stuff should not be widely available. In Europe we are heading towards a more nature friendly agriculture and that shows on the limitation of products one can use. However, when I talk to people who actually live from agriculture they all complain that some products that were really effective no longer exist... They are not happy

I hear the same. But I also hear a lot of people suddenly dying after losing weight. Some pesticides and fungicides "stack up" in human fat tissue. It's the reason my grandfather died, basically. He got a flu, didn't eat more than he should, and then the internal bleeding started. He did have the most, prettiest and best tasting fruits in his area though!

Have you heard about triophlor? It's available from ebay, some russian seller, and it's basically a fungus that eats fungus. I'm getting pretty good results with the stuff. It's cheap and as soon as the plant accepts this new resident, it will protect it for a lifetime (if conditions are alright).

For all things else, there's peroxide and copper sulfate. Both are very broad spectrum killers..
Otherwise there's always sea water.. nah just kidding. It works though, but plants don't like it.

But do not forget: ventilation

 

[Gustavo Martins]

Check your soil.Sounds dumb, but unhealthy often starts with the soil.
Good Day
Anthony

* I like how Oso thinks!

I've got curly leaves with black tips on three trident maples. They are like that soon after budding out. Each is planted on a different mix, varying from regular potting soil to a mixture of pumice, akadama and scoria. This suggests it's not soil related, I suppose.

The thing is: it was raining a lot for nearly 3 weeks until 2-3 days ago. Trees were constantly wet. This, coupled with coldish condition, is what triggered the fungus attach I think. I have already moved the trees away from the wall to the central area of my patio where they get more sun and ventilation... Hope that will help.

Despite the fungus, trees appear to be growing... so not really sure how bad it may be.

 

[Gustavo Martins]

This may be worth noting too, or not.

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/11/bee-decline-fungicides-emerge-improbable-villain

ahhhh. no daconil then. thanks! I rather have bees than my maples...

 

[Gustavo Martins]

I hear the same. But I also hear a lot of people suddenly dying after losing weight. Some pesticides and fungicides "stack up" in human fat tissue. It's the reason my grandfather died, basically. He got a flu, didn't eat more than he should, and then the internal bleeding started. He did have the most, prettiest and best tasting fruits in his area though!

Have you heard about triophlor? It's available from ebay, some russian seller, and it's basically a fungus that eats fungus. I'm getting pretty good results with the stuff. It's cheap and as soon as the plant accepts this new resident, it will protect it for a lifetime (if conditions are alright).

For all things else, there's peroxide and copper sulfate. Both are very broad spectrum killers..
Otherwise there's always sea water.. nah just kidding. It works though, but plants don't like it.

But do not forget: ventilation

Never heard about triophlor. Going to investigate. Thanks a lot

 

[markyscott]

I've got curly leaves with black tips on three trident maples. They are like that soon after budding out. Each is planted on a different mix, varying from regular potting soil to a mixture of pumice, akadama and scoria. This suggests it's not soil related, I suppose.

The thing is: it was raining a lot for nearly 3 weeks until 2-3 days ago. Trees were constantly wet. This, coupled with coldish condition, is what triggered the fungus attach I think. I have already moved the trees away from the wall to the central area of my patio where they get more sun and ventilation... Hope that will help.

Despite the fungus, trees appear to be growing... so not really sure how bad it may be.

For your reference

https://m.facebook.com/notes/housto...ose-on-the-texas-gulf-coast/1384161804947772/

S