the queer folks thread

[dbonsaiw]

The claim is that Jews are explicitly excluded from intersectionality. This claim is surprising to me, so I was interested in determining the origin. What I found is that the origin of this claim is directly from the European Jewish Association, who made a resolution declaring that anti-semitism must be discussed separately from other phenomena of discrimination.

Lol. Did you Intentionally ignore the myriad articles addressing the issue? Did you miss Linda sarsour and identifying Jews being excluded from the women’s march and all other intersectional events? How about Judith butler? How about the Jewish women thrown out of the dyke March? The right accepts gays the same way intersectionality accept Jews - so long as you don’t openly show any signs of Jewishness you are accepted. What you posted is so infuriating and disingenuous - gay Jews cannot march with you if they have an Israeli flag or a wear a Jewish star. Jews are “accepted” if we agree to march to globalize the intifada. You are now “accepted” the same way under Trump. Enjoy and say thank you.

I guess you’re just having fun here feeling the “power” of being a majority on a bonsai site. Not the way to be. But the way you will learn is through the majority of the US and the complete dismantling of what you have grown accustomed to. Remember, you helped create a society where violence on campus and in the streets was ok. And now you will reap what you sow under Trump. None of this nonsense will be able to continue without constant US funding. The majority has now dictated that there are two sexes and two genders. You should not be overly surprised when the true majority treats you the way you treat others when you had a contrived majority.

I am never going back into the closet. Looks like your community is though under Trump. And when one takes money from Qatar to fund their grants, they should keep their mouth shut. Go boycott them if you really have moral compass.

And we should also address “chickens for KFC”. The lqbtq will exclude identifying Jews while you embrace Islamists who openly state you should be killed. A more extreme version of the “useful idiot” has never been encountered. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[dbonsaiw]

How Intersectionality Became a Sinister Threat to American Jewry

Intersectionality didn’t originate as an anti-Jewish idea. Coined in 1989 by Columbia University law professor Kimberlé Crenshaw in the context of

jewishjournal.com

OP-ED Intersectionality excludes and includes. Jews must learn the difference, AZ Jewish Post

azjewishpost.com

Why intersectionality fails the Jews - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Equating Jewishness with whiteness overlooks the identities of many Jews and accelerates anti-Semitic tropes based on Jewish power, writes a Touro College educator.

www.jta.org

White Jews: An Intersectional Approach | AJS Review | Cambridge Core

White Jews: An Intersectional Approach - Volume 43 Issue 2

www.cambridge.org

By Rejecting Jews, Intersectionality Betrays Itself

www.adl.org

Here’s a sampling of articles on the issue. Apologies in advance for not including any BBC articles - they were too busy paying Hamas for propaganda films.

 

[dbonsaiw]

Learning what is actually transpiring in the world is helpful. The truth shall set you free.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Palestinian gays flee to Israel

Shock, questions after gruesome killing of gay Palestinian

The gruesome killing of a 25-year-old Palestinian man, whose decapitated torso was found in the West Bank city of Hebron, has shocked Palestinian society.

apnews.com

For Gay Palestinians, Tel Aviv Is Mecca

Al-Fatiha — which calls itself the principal international organization promoting the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Arabs — is located not in Beirut or Cairo, but in Washington, D.C. And no wonder: The international movement for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and...

forward.com

 

[dbonsaiw]

Next to this, telling palestina their rights are gone because an other aggressive act needs to be rewarded.

Did you forget that Gaza attacked Israel on 10/7 (while there was a ceasefire in place)? You sound like Trump when he claimed that Ukraine was the aggressor.

Gaza is being treated nicer than is deserved.

 

[dbonsaiw]

Viva la revolution. LOL.

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[Sno]

Get a grip mate and stop trolling people that don’t need your shit .

 

[dbonsaiw]

Get a grip mate and stop trolling people that don’t need your shit .

Try a college campus if you are looking for an echo chamber. If anything I say isn’t true, feel free to correct me. And my point is the same - this isn’t “my” shit, it’s “our” shit. Civil liberties here in the U.S. are supposed to be a given, not dictated by a majority. Nobody gets to deny me my civil liberties because they ganged up on me about a situation taking place 6,500 miles away (and which they don’t understand). I’m not sorry for pointing out that there is now a new majority that feels entitled to do exactly what the left did - deny others civil liberties through an echo chamber created by a majority. Perhaps when the new majority is chanting “from sea to shining sea, straight America will be free” then you will understand that joining forces with hate is not just wrong, but will eventually bite you in the ass. And it looks like eventually is now under Trump. Maybe calling to globalize the slaughter of Jews isn’t all that progressive? It’s not “fascist” to point out that the LGBTQ is being used as the useful idiot to prop up radical Islam in the west. And when you demand so much about how others refer to you, maybe just maybe it’s a bit beyond the pale to wear a red hand pin that symbolizes the lynching of Jews - where Jews were literally torn limb from limb by Palis and the animals showed their red blood stained hands.

P.S. did you guys catch the white supremacist march in a black community in Cincinnati? White hoods, Nazi flags and all. And why not? You all dictated that this form of violence and intimidation is “free speech”. When the Islamists do this in Jewish boro park it is “ok”? And both were met the same - men ready to physically fight back. Welcome to the new US. Coming to a theatre near you, for no other reason than you decided it was ok believing this conduct would be reserved for the “other”. You are the “other” for gods sake. It’s high time you realize that the only rights you will ever be afforded are the ones you are willing to give someone else.

 

[dbonsaiw]

I’m glad the LGBT gets to show their pride and march at the St Patrick’s day parade this year. Now I would like to show my Jewish pride at LGBT events.

 

[dbonsaiw]

The 27th annual Tel Aviv Gay Pride festival will be taking place this year on June 13, 2025. Over 300,000 people participated last year. Everyone is welcome to come see it for themselves. A pic from a prior year attached.

 

[AlainK]

Hi folks,

Haven(t been here for quite some time. Found this post :

"i wanted to make a thread for the queer people on Bonsai Nut to discuss topics and issues relevant to us"

I saw on "old Europe" TV that the new US government is now excluding people who are not "straight" according to "moral" standards.

Wow ! In Old Europe, we experienced that, in the late thirties. We know what it led to.

I planned a trip to the US, visiting national parks a year ago, will they still exist, or will they be supressed buy an ukaz of the buffon on ketamin ?

I know at least half of the usonians are not fooled by land-snatchrers on either sides for mines and money, don't care for children being kidnapped, etc.but how disappointing it is to see that such a clown was elected by the majority of the pople in the USA. Blows my mind...

 

[dbonsaiw]

I know at least half of the usonians are not fooled by land-snatchrers on either sides for mines and money, don't care for children being kidnapped, etc.but how disappointing it is to see that such a clown was elected by the majority of the pople in the USA. Blows my mind...

I assume that off topic opinions are acceptable so long as the majority on the thread agree with it (thus the thumbs up)? Here in the U.S. we were given a choice between bad and worse and we all made our choice. It should not be so absolutely surprising that we didn't choose the cackling fool who refused to offer up a single policy position and was not chosen by the people in a primary. In fact, Kamala earned something like 1% in the primary in which she lost to Biden.

the new US government is now excluding people who are not "straight" according to "moral" standards.

Where is that happening exactly? As far as I can tell living in the U.S., there has been zero exclusion of gay people. Perhaps you are referring to pushback against certain parts of the trans agenda? This is indeed happening and is worthy of discussion.

are not fooled by land-snatchrers

Not sure exactly who you are referring to, but when I want to understand who the "land snatchers" are, I look to see what languages are being spoken in the world. Unless I'm missing something, the predominant world languages are English, Arabic, Spanish and French. This is the direct result of "land snatching". Doesn't France have something like a dozen oversees colonies? How did that happen exactly? And how many times have European borders changed over the years due to "land snatching"? Come to think of it, entire countries came and went in Europe. In fact, at least parts of Ukraine used to be Russia. Is Ukraine considered a "land snatcher"?

I'm not a religious man (anymore), but being well versed in religious dogma I can tell you this - when one believes things that are belied by science or other fact and dismisses criticism as "heresy", they are practicing a religion. It doesn't matter if one worships a deity or a concept, it is a religion all the same. And we should all be able to acknowledge that truth presented by an individual will always be crucified by the dogmatic majority.

"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds".

In Old Europe, we experienced that, in the late thirties. We know what it led to.

Do we? In "Old Europe", my family was blocked from going to school. The progressives do that to my children today. In "Old Europe", our shops were vandalized and boycotted. The progressives do that to me and mine all over the world today. We had to hide our identities. Just like progressives demand of us today. An entire generation of people were conditioned to view me as worthy of destruction. Precisely what progressives call for today and they will do it "by any means necessary". DEI excludes me. Intersectionality excludes me. Even here on this thread I have been advised that the I am to blame for being excluded from "intersectionality" because I dared to have my own identity. I'm not sure that anyone is ready to hear what I am saying, but there was no way on God's green earth that I was going to vote for a continuation of this. Pull the rug out from under this - by any means necessary.

 

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[dbonsaiw]

I think you may to save the popcorn for a different thread. These are "religious people" that do not engage in any discussion that could expose the truth. They "identify" as being in the right and any suggestion to the contrary is "blasphemy". And they will resort to a mob mentality, even violence, if challenged. Science, history and facts do not hold a candle to the dogmatic application of fickle language and the social conditioning of this Orwellian "brave new world".

 

[dbonsaiw]

As an American, I respect the first amendment and have a very high tolerance for opinions I don’t agree with or even find offensive. Violence and intimidation on campus against Jews, however, is not an expression of free speech. It should have been addressed starting 10/8. It took us way too long to get here, but the cutting of funding from schools seems to be doing the trick. Columbia university has announced actual punishments for those who took over and vandalized school property. And this is just the beginning. Trump will run through US universities like a bull in a china shop. Other schools see it coming and are finally taking action. There will be lots more arrests of the terrorist supporters. The right is also intersectional. The only way over is through.

Nothing more poetic than watching folks get hung on the gallows they made for me. Thank you President Trump. Happy Purim.

 

[AlainK]

Thank you dbonsaiw for your input.

"the new US government is now excluding people who are not "straight" according to "moral" standards."
"Where is that happening exactly?"

See : https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/trump-transgender-military-ban-rcna194741
Fortunately, there are still some judges that haven't been sacked by that.. person that thinks that he's above the law.

"land-snatchrers"
"Not sure exactly who you are referring to"

Ask the Canadians, or the Greenlanders what they think. Donald doesn't care a fig about his fellow citizens, he only wants to make MONEY, for him and his courtiers, the ones that will get the crumbs from the cake. He despises the the people, the nations, the cultures because he has no other culture than his greed, his lust fot profit, at no cost for the others, and even his own citizens.

"at least parts of Ukraine used to be Russia. Is Ukraine considered a "land snatcher"? "

Well, Russia was born from Rus, which was Ukrainian in the first place, you know that don't you ?...
Then, in the communst era, part of it was colonized by the stalinists. You know that too, don't you ?
There were democratic elections in Ukraine, and Russia fomented a secession in Donbass, sending troops there, they even destroyed a civilian airpane, MH17, killing 298 innocent people, you don'tignore that, do you ?

"In "Old Europe", my family was blocked from going to school."

Really ? My parents too were barred from going to school. And now I am a retired teacher, a son of immigrants, a proud son of the Republic, the secular French Republic.
I do understand. I am a proud member of LICRA, founded in 1927 (US "chapter" : https://www.licra.org/nos-sections-locales/licra-usa )

I'm personaly involved in fighting against racism and discrimination. I regularly meet classes of youngsters and try to make them integrate what "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité' means on a daily basis. I"m trying to be a good man, a good citizen. The exact opposite of Donald T. actually.

"on God's green earth"
I don't believe in god, I believe in Reason.
Some of my brethren believe in god though, and we don't mid, we're not sectarian. Big difference.

"I respect the first amendment and have a very high tolerance for opinions I don’t agree with"

So do I.
But for me : "Pas de tolérance pour les ennemis de a tolérance"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

PS : I'll make my first trip to the USA in June, a 3 week trip around major sites there.

Everywhere I went, I met nice people. I'm 100% sure I'll meet nice people there...

 

[dbonsaiw]

Thank you @dbonsaiw for your input.

Good stuff and a much needed escape from the monotony of working.

See : https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/trump-transgender-military-ban-rcna194741
Fortunately, there are still some judges that haven't been sacked by that.. person that thinks that he's above the law.

Agreed. When I read "not straight" I thought of gay. Trans are indeed in a precarious situation under Trump. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is willing to risk life and limb to protect me and this great nation should be welcome to do so. I'll make a comment here that seems to be a running theme with me and try to leave it that without addressing each and every situation - when we play zero sum games, we shouldn't be surprised when someone ends up with zero. That's the nature of zero-sum games. I litigate for living (a type of fighting) and can tell you first hand that settlement is the only way to avoid the zeros in this game. There is room for society to come to agreements on the trans issues. Most reasonable people simply don't care how others conduct their lives. Live your best life and leave me be is probably the majority opinion.

land-snatchrers"
"Not sure exactly who you are referring to"

Ask the Canadians, or the Greenlanders what they think. Donald doesn't care a fig about his fellow citizens, he only wants to make MONEY, for him and his courtiers, the ones that will get the crumbs from the cake. He despises the the people, the nations, the cultures because he has no other culture than his greed, his lust fot profit, at no cost for the others, and even his own citizens.

Agreed again. I get sensitive when this term is thrown around, because sometimes it's clear (like US taking Canada) and sometimes it's a lot more subjective.

I don't hold politicians in high esteem. It's a dirty job for dirty people. Mother Theresa wanted to help people and politics was not the way to do that. I don't hold the Bidens in high esteem, nor the Netanyahus nor any other politician. Whatever pejorative adjective one can place next to "politician" is simply superfluous. Then again, these are jobs that need to get done and some people are better at getting things done whether we like them or not (not that Trump is getting much done). They are all horse traders and worse.

"at least parts of Ukraine used to be Russia. Is Ukraine considered a "land snatcher"? "

Well, Russia was born from Rus, which was Ukrainian in the first place, you know that don't you ?...
Then, in the communst era, part of it was colonized by the stalinists. You know that too, don't you ?
There were democratic elections in Ukraine, and Russia fomented a secession in Donbass, sending troops there, they even destroyed a civilian airpane, MH17, killing 298 innocent people, you don'tignore that, do you ?

Agreed again and not ignoring any facts. War sucks and none of us will ever change that. In my line of work, I am often advising people when their choices are bad and worse. It doesn't help my clients for them to harp on the bad, but rather to avoid the worse. I have no idea how to deal with Russia short of another world war. Give me choices and I will try to pick the best from among them - I'm not going to waste my time complaining about the bad. So rather than discuss all the bad things Russia does, what is the alternative?

I do understand. I am a proud member of LICRA, founded in 1927 (US "chapter" : https://www.licra.org/nos-sections-locales/licra-usa )

I'm personaly involved in fighting against racism and discrimination. I regularly meet classes of youngsters and try to make them integrate what "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité' means on a daily basis. I"m trying to be a good man, a good citizen. The exact opposite of Donald T. actually.

"on God's green earth"
I don't believe in god, I believe in Reason.
Some of my brethren believe in god though, and we don't mid, we're not sectarian. Big difference.

I don't believe in god either, at least not the god described in any bible. I can't prove or disprove the existence of a Creator, so I guess that makes me agnostic. I was raised Orthodox and live in an Orthodox neighborhood. I raise that because, as someone with a foot in two worlds, I have tried to work with Modern Orthodox youth who can feel lost and/or alone. Some are "troubled", others are treated as "troubled" because they don't want to live this form of Orthodoxy. And some are lost or even abandoned because they are gay (only had the opportunity to work with one trans youth). We have arranged speakers in many Orthodox synagogues, because we are not supposed to abandon our children. Parents need to ask blunt and even stupid questions for us to get over this hump. We try to provide housing and other forms of support for children of, well, let's just say less tolerant parents. I have no horse in this race other than seeing what I feel is wrong.

So do I.
But for me : "Pas de tolérance pour les ennemis de a tolérance"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Fantastic and I could not agree more. It's actually an old Jewish proverb that mercy on those who are cruel leads to cruelty being inflicted on the merciful. Now someone needs to share this with the ones who are supporting hamas and islamic jihad on campus. To take it a step further, I will never deny my heritage and 3,700 years of history so that I can be viewed as tolerant of those who have no tolerance for anything. I'm sure folks here in the US would be pretty pissed if Navajo, for example, went around raping and slaughtering because of US "occupation". Maybe we should arm them better so they can put up a better fight? How about we give them a few states? We lost the script as a society on so many issues. To the point where we are living an Orwellian novel where intolerance is defined as tolerance and progressive.

 

[AlainK]

Glad to see that we are -almost- tuned in.

Not sure I exactly understand about what you mean about Navajos, but I'm pretty sure we would agree on most basic values if ever we met.

Music soothes mid :

 

[just.wing.it]