The Azalea Soil experiment

So how are these coming along Eric?
Well I wired them this Spring, heard the on in potting mix crack a bit as I was bending, Thought I might lose the top, but it is fine! In fact it has thrived... I think Harunobu is right, the extra drain holes really kicked this guy into high gear! It is the only one I took a pic of so far:image.jpegIt is amazing what a couple extra drain holes and some slow release ferts will do! ;-P
 
i like this soil experiment. Have you got any partial results? Asking because I'm satisfied with 100% kanuma for my few azaleas. What kind of water do you use for watering?
 
Well I wired them this Spring, heard the on in potting mix crack a bit as I was bending, Thought I might lose the top, but it is fine! In fact it has thrived... I think Harunobu is right, the extra drain holes really kicked this guy into high gear! It is the only one I took a pic of so far:View attachment 104208It is amazing what a couple extra drain holes and some slow release ferts will do! ;-P

I grew 400-600 seedlings in plastic pots like yours. Some in ceramic ones. I keep them outside and ignore them most of the time. Some get too wet. Other get too dry. Some die of root rot. Others die of drying out. Some that both died for different reasons were side by side.


As you are really out there to be funny, let's say you judge your cutting either grows slower or faster than your control.

Now let's say soil/substrate has zero effect on plant physiology. Then, 50% of the cuttings will grow faster than the control, 50% slower.
This is what you want to disprove. How unlikely is your test statistic when compared to this hypothesis?

Now say you grow 1 cutting of soil type A. It grows faster than the control.
What does it means? Does it mean soil has no effect whatsoever? I mean, your result matches the theory that soil has no effect whatsoever 100%.
Say you grow 2 cuttings. One is slower, one is faster. Does your result still match the theory that soil has no effect at all?
Say you grow 10 and 9 grow slower than the control. What now?

Now you go ahead and calculate how many cuttings you need to make sure that the result you get can only be gotten by chance 1 out of 100 times.

Never mind the issue of how many controls you need to find how fast a control actually grows. Hint, they growth follows a normal distribution. That means there's only a 68% chance that your control is within 1 standard deviation of whatever the true growth of the control would be. That means it is basically a coin flip that your control grows way faster or slower than it ought. And one standard deviation may be much bigger than the effect of kanuma vs akadama.



Answer:
This thread is stupid.



For stupid people:

Throw up a coin. It lands heads. This shows it is likely that a coin lands heads 100% of the time. Or, this shows it is likely that a coin lands heads more often than 0.0001% of the time. Or, anything in between.
 
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I grew 400-600 seedlings in plastic pots like yours. Some in ceramic ones. I keep them outside and ignore them most of the time. Some get too wet. Other get too dry. Some die of root rot. Others die of drying out. Some that both died for different reasons were side by side.


As you are really out there to be funny, let's say you judge your cutting either grows slower or faster than your control.

Now let's say soil/substrate has zero effect on plant physiology. Then, 50% of the cuttings will grow faster than the control, 50% slower.
This is what you want to disprove. How unlikely is your test statistic when compared to this hypothesis?

Now say you grow 1 cutting of soil type A. It grows faster than the control.
What does it means? Does it mean soil has no effect whatsoever? I mean, your result matches the theory that soil has no effect whatsoever 100%.
Say you grow 2 cuttings. One is slower, one is faster. Does your result still match the theory that soil has no effect at all?
Say you grow 10 and 9 grow slower than the control. What now?

Now you go ahead and calculate how many cuttings you need to make sure that the result you get can only be gotten by chance 1 out of 100 times.

Never mind the issue of how many controls you need to find how fast a control actually grows. Hint, they growth follows a normal distribution. That means there's only a 68% chance that your control is within 1 standard deviation of whatever the true growth of the control would be. That means it is basically a coin flip that your control grows way faster or slower than it ought. And one standard deviation may be much bigger than the effect of kanuma vs akadama.



Answer:
This thread is stupid.



For stupid people:

Throw up a coin. It lands heads. This shows it is likely that a coin lands heads 100% of the time. Or, this shows it is likely that a coin lands heads more often than 0.0001% of the time. Or, anything in between.
What an asshole!

Look man, you are telling me a lot of what I said or what I didn't calculate... When it was made clear from the start this was tongue in cheek, sarcastically "scientific" experiment. Clearly, I just had three little trees of the same type, from the same place, collected at the same time.... And I just thought it might be cool to see which one grew best in three different soil substrates.

I think the only stupid people around here are the ones trying to calculate the percentages off a THREE TREE "experiment"! Pull that stick out your ass and laugh or move on, I don't have time for whiney little bitches.
 
What an asshole!

Look man, you are telling me a lot of what I said or what I didn't calculate... When it was made clear from the start this was tongue in cheek, sarcastically "scientific" experiment. Clearly, I just had three little trees of the same type, from the same place, collected at the same time.... And I just thought it might be cool to see which one grew best in three different soil substrates.

I think the only stupid people around here are the ones trying to calculate the percentages off a THREE TREE "experiment"! Pull that stick out your ass and laugh or move on, I don't have time for whiney little bitches.

I am educating. You are being arrogant. You started making fun of me first.

Clearly!


Get over yourself!


Also, claiming that you were merely making fun of science, that doesn't make you look better.



Read up on statistics and do the calculations because clearly you still have no idea. Intuition is useless here. Calculate!
 
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This thread is stupid.



For stupid people:
But you're saying that everyone participating in this thread are stupid.
You should look in the mirror. Stupid is as stupid does. You educated us alright.
@Eric Group. Apparently it's wrong to make fun of science.
Shame,shame,shame.
I just got an azalea compliments of @Mellow Mullet. One of them $450.00 ones so I'm reading everything on them you guys put on here.
Not Harunobu though. I won't to be able to see his posts anymore.
Keep up the good work.
 
I am educating. You are being arrogant. You started making fun of me first.

Clearly!


Get over yourself!


Also, claiming that you were merely making fun of science, that doesn't make you look better.



Read up on statistics and do the calculations because clearly you still have no idea. Intuition is useless here. Calculate!
You got it right: I WAS MAKING FUN, you came in here and started slinging mud and calling everyone who posted in this thread "stupid people"- so you sir are the one who took this the wrong way. I never for a second pretended this was any sort of serious experiment..
I question your intelligence if you cannot understand the difference between a joke and personal attack.
 
I called no one stupid. I'd call you a prick, but your posts speaks for themselves. No need to even do that.


All personal attacks came from you.

I post the most on azalea of all people here. Enjoy not seeing my posts. You might as well leave and read up on azalea on a different forum.


Also, did you calculate already how large your n has to be? If not, why are you still posting. Do the calculation!
 
I called no one stupid. I'd call you a prick, but your posts speaks for themselves. No need to even do that.


All personal attacks came from you.

I post the most on azalea of all people here. Enjoy not seeing my posts. You might as well leave and read up on azalea on a different forum.


Also, did you calculate already how large your n has to be? If not, why are you still posting. Do the calculation!
BULLSHIT.

"This thread is stupid
For STUPID PEOPLE"

We're your exact words. THAT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK, you certainly Did call people stupid, and why? just because you were butt hurt over my joke? Then YOU called ME "arrogant"? Clearly you do not know what that word means- YOU are the one being arrogant, parading around here acting like we should all be doing experiments to please you? GTFO.. and you CERTAINLY DO NOT "post the most on azalea of all people here". more BS. I could rattle off about 6 names off the top of my head of people who post more and give better info than you on azaleas on this forum alone... Nothing you said here or on any other thread about azaleas was helpful and half of it is hard to understand because of your broken English... You need to get over yourself.
 
Liar.


All I did was gently nudge you into the right direction. Yet you took it personal and attacked me personally. That from then on I was inconsiderate of the fragile snowflake you are, that is all your own fault.

Let me know when you are ready to apologize.
 
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I post the most on azalea of all people here. Enjoy not seeing my posts. You might as well leave and read up on azalea on a different forum.
Got that in before I could put on ignore. I may just not now. I'm really starting to enjoy watching how you make friends.
As for posting the most on azalea here you are not looking at the azalea threads Mellow Mullet posts?;Or Eric?
And I don't know if you are calling me or Eric a prick but I hope it's me. I am. He usually isnt. I own it and live it.
All he is doing is showing his results from his experiment. All you're doing is showing your own stupidity by calling the people on here stupid.
Now. Why don't you post some pictures of your experiments. You seem to really know how to conduct one. Or say you can.
And I don't think any apologies will be coming your way.
 
Constructive criticism is one thing, but calling people stupid like Eric and everyone else who likes this thread stupid is personal. You my friend have offended me and my family :)

Notice how I put the smiley face. I don't take you seriously to get myself all worked up.

Aren't you in a heated argument on another thread Harunobu?
 
Liar.


All I did was gently nudge you into the right direction. Yet you took it personal and attacked me personally. That from then on I was inconsiderate of the fragile snowflake you are, that is all your own fault.

Let me know when you are ready to apologize.
All I did was quote you:
Answer:
This thread is stupid.



For stupid people:
I called no one stupid.


How am I a liar? Go back and read what you wrote. The only liar here is you. It is in black and white for you to see right here- you called us all stupid then said you didn't call anyone stupid= LIES. you arrogantly condescend to everyone about their techniques but refuse to show any evidence you can even keep a plant alive= hypocrisy. The words written here do not lie, obnoxious little trolls like YOU do. Now GTF out of my face, and apologize to ME and everyone who posted in this thread for calling All of them names... Or don't. I don't care... I won't see it anyway. My ignore list has now grown to two names.
 
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Constructive criticism is one thing, but calling people stupid like Eric and everyone else who likes this thread stupid is personal. You my friend have offended me and my family :)

Notice how I put the smiley face. I don't take you seriously to get myself all worked up.

Aren't you in a heated argument on another thread Harunobu?
Exactly.
I am not nearly as worked up as it may seem, I just don't take shit off anybody. I will sleep like a baby tonight and tell stories about what an idiot this guy is if anybody asks me about it...
 
I will sleep like a baby tonight and tell stories about what an idiot this guy is if anybody asks me about it...

Sorry buddy...but you are on the wrong side of this one! If anyone is looking like an idiot..........maybe this whole thread was tongue in cheek on your part....but I didn't read it that way...

But what do I know...I am just a moldy rag:)
 
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