Soil PH vs Water PH

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Out here in the desert the water ph hovers around 8.0 to a little higher sometimes. So I correct my ph. But I noticed that some soil mixes that are sold say the ph of the soil. Such as Bonsai Jack's is 6.7.
Does the soil ph change the water ph? If so, then should I keep changing my water ph.
I know in most inorganic soils the water runs through fast. It doesn't really sit there like in an organic soil.
Thanks
 
as i understand the ph of water affects the ph of the soil, the soil absorbs the water there with it also the difference in ph.
azalea is an acid loving species and giving it tap water for a long period affects the tree even planted in kanuma.
so i think its good to adjust the water at least for the species that require less ph.
 
Out here in the desert the water ph hovers around 8.0 to a little higher sometimes. So I correct my ph. But I noticed that some soil mixes that are sold say the ph of the soil. Such as Bonsai Jack's is 6.7.
Does the soil ph change the water ph? If so, then should I keep changing my water ph.
I know in most inorganic soils the water runs through fast. It doesn't really sit there like in an organic soil.
Thanks
Mixing two substances with varying PH will adjust the overall reading. You are correct in assuming that contact time and retention will vary the result. I would continue to adjust your water for optimum results and consistency.
 
As a retired biogeochemist I can tell you that it is a matter of the source of acidity or alkalinity in the soil and water. Soils can be basic for example if they have limestone in them. Acid soils usually have organic matter which contributes organic acids however there can also be acidic minerals, such as sulfides and others, that form acids when they oxidize or break down. When you apply an alkaline water (pH>7) it will react with the acidic components and whichever is in greater abundance will tend to win out. Because we tend to water a lot, the balance is usually shifted in favor of the water and whether it is acidic or alkaline. So in your case your water is probably greatly tipping the soil towards alkaline conditions. Eric Schrader has a good YouTube video on the subject on checking pH and treating alkaline water (see below). Public water systems add limestone (CaCO3) to their water to help prevent leaching of lead and other trace elements from copper pipes and old lead solder so in those cases expect your water to be in the pH 7-8 range. The same is true if your drinking water comes from wells in limestone bedrock However if you use organic fertilizer it will usually add acidity but not likely as much as we’d like. In this cases I am talking about soils in pots however both natural and agricultural soils can undergo different acidification processes.

 
As a retired biogeochemist I can tell you that it is a matter of the source of acidity or alkalinity in the soil and water. Soils can be basic for example if they have limestone in them. Acid soils usually have organic matter which contributes organic acids however there can also be acidic minerals, such as sulfides and others, that form acids when they oxidize or break down. When you apply an alkaline water (pH>7) it will react with the acidic components and whichever is in greater abundance will tend to win out. Because we tend to water a lot, the balance is usually shifted in favor of the water and whether it is acidic or alkaline. So in your case your water is probably greatly tipping the soil towards alkaline conditions. Eric Schrader has a good YouTube video on the subject on checking pH and treating alkaline water (see below). Public water systems add limestone (CaCO3) to their water to help prevent leaching of lead and other trace elements from copper pipes and old lead solder so in those cases expect your water to be in the pH 7-8 range. The same is true if your drinking water comes from wells in limestone bedrock However if you use organic fertilizer it will usually add acidity but not likely as much as we’d like. In this cases I am talking about soils in pots however both natural and agricultural soils can undergo different acidification processes.

Biogeochemist..wow, now that is a very specialized career. And I was thinking of being a herpetologist in college and I thought that was specialized.
I found out a little late about the quality and ph of the water here last summer. So I started changing it and bringing it down. What a difference.
 
The soil doesn't have a pH. pH is a water property, namely the concentration of hydronium ions.

The value on the bags of soil or substrate are what the pH of the water would be if you extract the soil with distilled water or a solution of 1 M KCl.
Depending on what method you use, you get different pH values. And thus you infer different types of soil acidity.
 
The soil doesn't have a pH. pH is a water property, namely the concentration of hydronium ions.

The value on the bags of soil or substrate are what the pH of the water would be if you extract the soil with distilled water or a solution of 1 M KCl.
Depending on what method you use, you get different pH values. And thus you infer different types of soil acidity.
Thanks. So if the bag says 6.5 and I use 7.0 water, then the water would end up being 6.5?
 
Thanks. So if the bag says 6.5 and I use 7.0 water, then the water would end up being 6.5?
No.

When mixing acids and bases, there is an equation called the Henderson–Hasselbalch equation.
This can be used to calculate the final pH.

But note there are 4 assumptions that this equation makes. And this is only for 1 acid and 1 base. Not for your tap water. Or your bag of soil.

How a solution responds to the addition of either acid or base doesn't actually have a lot to do with the current pH.
 
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