Shindeshojo?

[disandov]

I've recently been on the hunt for a shindeshojo and happened to come across this one. I'm confused as to why it's labeled dissectum. Is it just an error on the nursery's part? Looking for advice and comments on this bonsai.

 

[leatherback]

mislabelled. It is A palmatum. Could be a shin deshojo

 

[coltranem]

I've recently been on the hunt for a shindeshojo and happened to come across this one. I'm confused as to why it's labeled dissectum. Is it just an error on the nursery's part? Looking for advice and comments on this bonsai.View attachment 324389

Looks like it is grafted fairly high. I am not sure that can be overcome.

 

[disandov]

Looks like it is grafted fairly high. I am not sure that can be overcome.

Where would that graft be? Real new to this and I'm just learning how to distinguish these things. Is it where it turns brown to green or even higher?

 

[Forsoothe!]

 

[disandov]

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Thank you so much for clearing that up. I purchased this bonsai and it's arriving on Friday. I'll upload more pictures then. I've been researching air-layering and cuttings and now I just need advice if either is possible with this bonsai.

 

[Rivian]

Yeah its possible but not in fall, do that in late spring/ early summer. Unless you live on the southern hemisphere?
This is just my personal experience but airlayers are far superior methods of propagation for Acer palmatum than cuttings. I got a Deshojo to root from airlayer this year and thats almost the exact same variety.
Make sure to watch some videos on airlayering so you dont make beginners mistakes and accidentally kill it. But in general its not complicated.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Also this is not Bonsai just because in Bonsai style pot. Still just small nursery tree and likely overpriced. For most inducing lower branches would be desired but not on graft stock part of tree. Must develop upper part of tree and possibly airlayer trunk for better shorter reach to foliage. What is personal location? Please add to profile.

 

[leatherback]

When you get the tree, take a few pictures of the trunk.
I am not convinced it is a graft. It COULD be. But it can also be a previous pruning point.

 

[disandov]

Also this is not Bonsai just because in Bonsai style pot. Still just small nursery tree and likely overpriced. For most inducing lower branches would be desired but not on graft stock part of tree. Must develop upper part of tree and possibly airlayer trunk for better shorter reach to foliage. What is personal location? Please add to profile.

Thank you for the advice. I'm going to wait until it arrives in order to inspect it and see what work needs to be done. Any and all advice is welcome

 

[disandov]

When you get the tree, take a few pictures of the trunk.
I am not convinced it is a graft. It COULD be. But it can also be a previous pruning point.

That's what I initially thought too. I'll just have to wait and see. I'll upload pictures once it arrives on Friday.

 

[sorce]

I hope they're packing it Thursday!

103F Tuesday?

Welcome to Crazy!

Seems you've ordered and are having shipped, frustration. That is .... if it survives the trip.


Sorce

 

[Forsoothe!]

The graft is very high and it will be some time before there is enough foliage above the graft to do an air-layer.

 

[Rivian]

it will be some time before there is enough foliage above the graft to do an air-layer.

lol what. Where are you getting that from? I got 3 different palmatum cultivars to root with less foliage, just this year

 

[Forsoothe!]

My opinion. FWIW

 

[disandov]

So graft?

 

[leatherback]

YUp:

 

[Forsoothe!]

OK, I stand corrected. Go ahead and air or ground layer above the graft next spring. You will then have a funny oddball scion which, in my small mind will be damned hard to aim the angle of the dangle in any direction that will result in an attractive tree, but what do I know?

 

[fredman]

I've got the same dilemma. I plan to get a deshojo soon, but they're all grafted. My plan is to get the best one and layer it just below the graft. In time the barks should look the same...?
I have this on a existing tree ...bottom is standard Palmatum and the top is Osakazuki.

 

[leatherback]

I plan to get a deshojo soon, but they're all grafted.

As long as the graft is not ugly..

I have layered multiple deshojo from their rootstock. Works fine, although one of them took over a year to root. But.. That was me being impatient and working on a tree that was not topfit. Taught me a lesson in waiting.